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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with gene and

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Chris and the power cast we've got a

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really fascinating episode for you this

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week but there's always fascinating

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stories to tell and the crazy wacky UFO

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field it's almost like we're working for

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Entertainment Weekly or People magazine

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for that matter for us magazine to

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report the trials and tribulations of

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the personalities so now is there a

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falling out amongst the exiled politics

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people now there's a big attack against

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alleged financial improprieties and

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other stuff by dr. Steven Greer in

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connection with that serious documentary

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film what's going on

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I don't know gene you have to kind of

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take all this with a grain of salt the

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report is coming from Alfred Weber and

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his his track record I think is a little

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shoddy when it comes to getting facts

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correct so we I think we should not take

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this particular version of events at

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face value it does appear however though

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that there has been a falling out

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amongst the greer crew the ambassador's

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to the universe crowd I'm not sure what

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to make of it I could do a little

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digging on the on the backside of this

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to find out but there's been worth the

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effort though I mean well you know it is

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because we're is quite he does quite

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have kind of figurehead status among the

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True Believer crowd and and I think if

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there is some sort of financial

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irregularities going on which many have

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suspected for a number of years

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surrounding his claims of of getting

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support to complete of you know free

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energy devices and the amount of money

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that's generated by C SETI for these

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training sessions around the country

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there's a lot of cash has been flowing

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around the the amount of money that was

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spent on this serious documentary

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allegations of skimming money and this

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I think are unfounded until we really

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find out and indict to the bottom of

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this it it has created I guess from from

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the sound of it a bit of controversy

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within Greer's inner circle according to

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Weber but there's also this this

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allegation of drug use which is a little

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surprising to me the drugs are never

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identified someone I think in one of the

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comments suggested possibly steroids

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because of his his bodybuilding efforts

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that he's kind of undergone in the last

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few years and he's but you know what

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cares if the guy wants to kill himself

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with steroids why do we care we worry

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about athletes because in a sense

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they're cheating but if a private

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citizen wants to take steroids that's

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his problem that's her problem

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yeah well steroids do have a tendency to

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affect behavior and someone is public is

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Greer I think you know his his behavior

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issues could be explained I mean there

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is a lot of posturing going on by the

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good doctor he does have quite an

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inflated view of himself in his role as

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chief ambassador to the universe so it

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possibly some of these what appeared to

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be delusions of grandeur maybe maybe

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partially due to to some sort of

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behavior changes brought on by by drug

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case I I don't see any proof of this I

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think these types of allegations just a

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very cavalier attitude the Weber

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took by just saying the you know drug

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use I mean he's got to come up with

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order for that particular very salacious

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okay here's what they say about sourcing

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far remove this claim is it said 1xo

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politics.com confidential source in

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direct contact with former Greer core

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team members so you know right so it's

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secondhand it's not so bad I've heard

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worse it's not someone who knows

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somebody who knows somebody well these

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these types of claims need to be I mean

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we need a little bit more to go

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and then unnamed anonymous sources close

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to the doctor I you know again I you

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know as you asked me if I care

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weird to me has been one of the people

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at least in my humble opinion that has

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brought more problems into this field

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than solutions of course his disclosure

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efforts and getting witnesses together

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and whatnot I I have always seen it as

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being a way to legitimize and and put a

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stamp of approval on his his grandiose

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view of himself and I told him 20 plus

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years ago that his message is more

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important than he is and and he's just

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gone off the deep end I mean years ago

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he's been off the reservation for quite

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some time I really think that he's he's

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created more problems than than he

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solved at this point you know Chris one

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of the other things is here that he is

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still taken seriously in far too many

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places you still see him turning up it's

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supposedly serious UFO events the

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citizens hearing on disclosure I think

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he was one of the worst offenses they're

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having him there you know we can say

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less for someone like Linda Moulton Howe

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whose antics is just a sideshow compared

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to Greer

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so I conference but more fun isn't a

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complete mess itself let's weed out that

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MUFON has now another yet another

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international director I mean for many

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years they had one then they had another

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one now you've had another changeover in

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recent months and you have this LA

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division of MUFON splitting off the fact

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that they tend to allow more of the

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shall we say outrageous or extreme

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aspects in terms of UFO speakers and

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presentations at their events I guess

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they're trying to reach out and reach

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where people get a bigger audience but

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how does that help in the cause of

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scientific UFO research there doesn't am

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I really have high hopes for Jan

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international MUFON I do

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he's very level-headed extremely up to

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speed very talented he's a good

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businessman he worked for many years for

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IBM I think out of everyone that's been

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in that position I think Jan has the

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skill set and the people skills I think

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to to move move on hopefully you know

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forward in a positive direction John

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there were too many strings attached

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with with his relation longtime

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relationship with Walt Angeles and and

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you know Jan has really I just can't say

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enough about him I've always really

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appreciated his very he's very down to

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earth and very sober analysis of the UFO

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phenomenon and I think he's gonna really

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I thought I think he's really a good

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choice for the organization we should

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talk to him on the power cask an idea of

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his vision because it's not just being

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level-headed it's not just being serious

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it's not just being a good business

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person but somebody could get him there

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and if a few heads have to roll to write

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that chip well if he has the gumption to

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we don't need the kind of sideshows

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typify by the Exopolitics people and

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certainly by dr. Greer anyway today

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we've got a fascinating session that you

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put together with two previous guests

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together the first time on the power

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cast tell us more on Scott Allen Roberts

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we had we've had on the show we talked

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about is his book covering ancient

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civilizations he has a new book out that

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looks at at the whole idea of the

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reptilian meme as it has progressed

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through through culture since ancient

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times a fascinating book I'm looking

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forward to reading it and in mica of

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course we had him on talking about his

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most recent work the UFO singularity

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which I found fascinating mica is one of

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my my favorite younger folks in in the

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field he's an extremely bright

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and I really like Micah he's extremely

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articulate and the two of them together

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have put together what they're calling

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the paradigms symposium last year being

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this hopefully annual conference that's

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held in the Minneapolis st. Paul area

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well it's been many years since I've

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been to Minneapolis st. Paul so I should

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look into that course Micah Hanks has

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graylien report radio show correct okay

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so let's just say let's get ready for

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that's the para cast dot-com or check us

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out at iTunes

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we have gene we have Chris we have Micah

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Hanks with an interesting avatar on a

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Skype account that looks like a lazy

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green et not a grade' but a green and

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then we have Scottie Roberts and we're

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all together in one virtual room and no

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room is too big for us our egos are not

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as large as a certain former emergency

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room doctor but I don't want to get into

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that but you know that that former

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emergency room doctor is actually from

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my hometown down here in Asheville North

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Carolina and so you know there are a lot

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of interesting stories floating around

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about what he used to see floating

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around in the skies here in Asheville

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but yes you're right that's another

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story guys great to be on the pair of

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cast that's good to be here

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I have no stories of emergency room

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doctors but if I'm good over here it's

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nurse we'll leave that to the listeners

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to figure out who we're talking about

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well actually I talked about him in the

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previous segment who are of course

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talking about you too behind your backs

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as we are want to do here on the power

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cast now we talk about this guy that's

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right we have an introductory segment

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where we have act different people you

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see in the old days of the power cast we

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did that if he ended his show now we

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give you a week to digest what happened

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and then we talked about people but not

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always about the people so you two guys

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are involved in a conference in

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Minneapolis and let me tell you the last

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time I was in Minneapolis was before

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most of you were born I think I don't

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think it was called Minneapolis then it

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was just a cave built we're still like

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pig's eye or something like that no wait

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that was st. Paul okay in a pig's eye

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but why would you have a paranormal

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event in Minneapolis and I have to

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explain to you that I spent the longest

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four years of my life in a 13 month time

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frame in South Minnesota working for a

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radio station and it got to be what 30

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degrees below and that's when it's warm

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you know what that's the big miss Nomar

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I think about Minnesota is that now you

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lived here for 13 months I've lived here

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for 52 years practically Minnesota gets

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a bad rap because it's got two weeks in

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the middle of the winter that are dead

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cold and I mean dead cold you could be

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sub are

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we could have a movie like the thing

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filmed here you know one of those

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stereotypical ice stations out in our

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backyard you can get up to six feet of

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snow you can get 30 below zero actual

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temperature 75 with the windchill but in

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the summer like last week we had a

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hundred and seven degree heat index with

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the humidity it'll get up to 98 to 102

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degrees with the 80 80 percent humidity

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when you step outside you might as well

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just stay inside there's only so much

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you can take off but you can keep

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putting on mukluks and layers of fur in

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the winter it's not too bad up here it's

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it's still hot I'm packing my bags I'm

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moving there right now

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although 107 eat index man that's just

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my cup of tea and you know it's it's all

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your your point of perspective in the

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year two because there in the winter you

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say I cannot wait till summer and in the

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summer you're going oh my god it's

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deathly hot out here I can not wait for

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20 below zero

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well you can't wait I can wait I can

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sure wait but I'll tell you what when is

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this event gonna be held October 17th

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through the 20th at the historic Union

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Depot in downtown st. Paul okay so the

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weather's gonna be really good then yeah

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it should be last year was in the mid

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50's and the year before it was in the

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mid 80s so you never know what its gonna

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do that weekend okay before we get on

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with other subjects what's the bill of

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fare who's gonna be there Micah do you

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want me to go with this or you want to

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roll with it it's Scotty rollin I will

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go we have a phenomenal cast or as like

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to say cadre of seasoned speakers we've

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got Robert Bauval and you've all seen

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him he's been on ancient aliens he's

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been on just about every Egypt illogical

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documentary that's out there on the

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cable networks he's going to be here

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speaking Scott Wolter who is the host of

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h2s America unearthed dr. Robert Schoch

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again you've seen him ancient aliens and

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all kinds of documentaries he's going to

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be talking about the Sphinx and

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forgotten civilization la Marzulli will

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be here he is the best-selling Nephilim

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trilogy that he didn't also the Watchers

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series dr. John Ward British

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archaeologist living in Luxor Egypt

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justgo offered a book with me and he's

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gonna be here speaking Nick Redfern the

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prolific Nick Redfern sure he's gonna

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get away from writing his 300 books a

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year to spend a few days with you guys

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he's gonna take a weekend off and and

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probably drop down to 298 books this

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year oh it's not he's gonna be in a

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hotel room writing the whole time you

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know it and as we like to say as we're

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quipping here about the weather

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Nick's probably pumped out another

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62,000 words so I understand he's

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fighting Brad Steiger to become the most

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prolific paranormal author on the planet

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well yeah you know what I think it's a

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it's a good head-to-head right now we've

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got Laird Stratton who is not in

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competition to be the most prolific

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author but it's pretty amazing he wrote

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his books of course he's known for his

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work on the Dogon and his linguistics

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and so on we've got a favorite of yours

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Anthony if Sanchez will be here we have

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David Weatherly and you know David

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whether the black-eyed children strange

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intruders and so on he will be here dan

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Madsen who's a good friend of Mike isn't

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mine I've known Dan for about 30 years

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he used to publish the Star Trek

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communicator magazine and Star Wars Lord

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of the Rings

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Indiana Jones Lucas Films all of those

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magazines he was a mogul in that field

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and so he's just coming in to talk about

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his experiences

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Larry Flaxman Marie D Jones you're

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familiar with Thomas Fusco we've got

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this guy Christopher O'Brien coming some

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Irish dude mr. Furr who it's O'Brien

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don't you know and actually I don't know

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if he's Irish at all but it sure sounds

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that way got dr. John DeSalvo he's a

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research association he's got crystal

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skulls and things like that we have an

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interesting guest in PZ Myers who is an

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evolutionary biologist with the

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University of Minnesota Morris up here

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also a dyed-in-the-wool not just a

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skeptic a hating bitter angry atheistic

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skeptic oh why one of those genes

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favorite type and it took some coaxing

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to get him to come to this and he and I

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are not really friends but I was in a

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debate with him once and he thought he

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totally undid me but I invited him for

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to come to our symposium and present his

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ideas and I had a lot of a confessor

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say that again mica that he can totally

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undo you this year yeah yes he can

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totally honest ick mic on him then of

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course you have made sure mica isn't

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sick before you SiC them on him

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yes that's terrible you know people say

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I tell terrible puns and jokes and I

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resemble that remark but I don't believe

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in that at all

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I know gene I've heard worst puns than

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that I bet you've expressed a few you

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know I mean normally here you know we

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have to have some hard edge conversation

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as we are you know like you know just a

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few weeks ago we had this great debate

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featuring Scott Ramsey and Kevin Randle

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about the Aztec UFO incident and nobody

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convinced the other of anything now

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don't we put them in the same virtual

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room and we got them to talk for a

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couple of hours and Chris and I were

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just shall we say flies on the wall we'd

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listen to them it was a lot of fun so

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those debates are good when it's not

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just done for show where the talk shows

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can you hear me Bill O'Reilly screams

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over the guest that he doesn't like

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because it makes for good shows and good

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ratings but I won't talk about that I

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won't do that was that interview kind of

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like like putting them in a corner each

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in the corner of the room tossing a

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knife into the middle of the floor and

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and just shutting yourself out of the

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room seeing what happens next we will

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have a knife in the room if we don't do

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this right now okay we got Scottie

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Roberts yes we have Scottie on the show

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Scottie Roberts not the other Scottie

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mica Hank's with Gene and Kris you're in

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629
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power cast with gene and Chris with

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Micah Hanks of the gray lien report we

631
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have author Scott Allen Roberts or

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Scotty and we're here obviously to talk

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about their event come October in

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Minneapolis when the weather is really

635
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good there but I want to bring up a

636
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topic for both of you to discuss because

637
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you've both written about ancient aliens

638
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or ancient phenomena and that is it was

639
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a recent book about conspiracies and

640
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other subjects

641
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from Kevin Randle who's written a lot of

642
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books himself and he didn't sound like

643
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he accepts much of that stuff about the

644
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possibility of some interaction with

645
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advanced beings in times gone by what do

646
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you say either of you take this to

647
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people who don't believe in the theories

648
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of people like Erich von Daniken or even

649
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someone you don't know jana fourtner who

650
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was talking about that thing in the 50s

651
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you know if ITIF I could jump in here

652
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I'll save this I don't think that we can

653
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maybe rule out completely the

654
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possibility that there were intelligent

655
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beings and I think when we talk about

656
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intelligent beings we have to be fairly

657
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specific and declarative about this when

658
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people talk about ancient astronauts

659
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they tend to believe that were

660
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talking about physical beings that

661
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visited earth now maybe that did happen

662
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I remember talking with a staunch

663
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skeptic actually an astronomy professor

664
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here at a college in the region where I

665
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live in Western North Carolina years ago

666
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and he was so dismissive of the idea of

667
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UFO reports despite Blue Book despite

668
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hot

669
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Hynek and ballet and all the researchers

670
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who've come and gone and studied and and

671
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presented what I think at times this

672
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pretty credible evidence of something

673
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going on whether or not you look at that

674
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as being alien and the gentleman when it

675
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came to the discussion of UFOs said I've

676
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never seen credible evidence of anything

677
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that's visited earth in a in in the

678
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present day but I wouldn't doubt that

679
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maybe in ancient times we were visited I

680
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thought about that to me that's such a

681
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strange statement because how do you

682
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prove that earth was visited in ancient

683
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times and how do you say that there's no

684
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proof of that

685
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in the modern era with the plethora of

686
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information available to us which I

687
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think in a lot of instances the more

688
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debunker style skeptics you know Jim

689
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Mars makes a distinction between

690
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debunkers and just skeptics I mean I'm

691
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I'm a skeptical researcher some people

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literally have a predisposition toward

693
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debunking which shows an ideological

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component to this so how is it that a

695
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person can say that there's no evidence

696
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of something going on that we could call

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the UFO phenomenon I don't think that

698
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you can make that as a fair statement I

699
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also think that when it comes to ancient

700
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aliens maybe Kevin Randall's right to

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question that because again it's it's

702
00:30:00,200 --> 00:29:58,530
very funny to me that people say that

703
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evidence of ancient civilizations and

704
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advanced technologies that existed long

705
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ago has to be proof that aliens were

706
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essentially coming down here and

707
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building great big mud pies along the

708
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Giza Plateau and in places like this

709
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:12,330
it's strange to me that a highly

710
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advanced technology and I think Kevin

711
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Randle made this point maybe even on

712
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this program that when we look at

713
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something like the pyramids that doesn't

714
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seem to be indicative of an extremely

715
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advanced extraterrestrial technology it

716
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seems to be evidenced that there were

717
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humans in ancient times that were

718
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capable of doing these kinds of things

719
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and I have to say in relation to

720
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paradigm symposium since we do deal with

721
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:33,420
that subject a lot at the symposium I

722
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want to make it clear I personally don't

723
00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:37,410
endorse age ancient alien theories I

724
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look at ancient mysteries and I will

725
00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:41,430
look at a youthful logical component to

726
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some of those I don't look at ancient

727
00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:44,760
mysteries like the pyramids like the

728
00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:45,960
Sphinx you know and some of these other

729
00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:47,940
ancient sides it's being direct evidence

730
00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:49,500
of alien interaction with

731
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Earthlings long ago what he said yeah

732
00:30:56,060 --> 00:30:54,660
you know that's pretty much along the

733
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lines where I would be the sum of the

734
00:31:01,340 --> 00:30:57,690
last statements Myka made is that I

735
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:01,350
don't personally endorse the ancient

736
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:03,330
alien theory I have written about it I

737
00:31:08,540 --> 00:31:06,720
have talked about it I've said I put it

738
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:08,550
in this this this kind of tone I say I'm

739
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:11,010
intrigued by that theory and I cannot

740
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:14,730
dispute lis 100% dismissive of it but I

741
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would need to have and this is where it

742
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:19,650
smacks of some of the maybe you're more

743
00:31:24,140 --> 00:31:21,810
stalwart skeptics out there I tend to be

744
00:31:26,780 --> 00:31:24,150
skeptical but I want to have more proof

745
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:26,790
before I can say that this exists I'm

746
00:31:30,170 --> 00:31:28,410
not the guy to go out there and put

747
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:30,180
shovel in the dirt and trying to start

748
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:32,370
to do the archaeological digs and try to

749
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:34,200
find this the people that are working on

750
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these things that's great

751
00:31:39,980 --> 00:31:37,770
putting forth a notion doesn't mean a

752
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:39,990
damn thing to me if you have a notion

753
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:41,610
that means something and has some

754
00:31:46,550 --> 00:31:44,850
evidentiary backing then then I can get

755
00:31:47,630 --> 00:31:46,560
that I can understand it I see some of

756
00:31:50,780 --> 00:31:47,640
the things that are put forward with

757
00:31:53,390 --> 00:31:50,790
ancient alien theory that sound pretty

758
00:31:55,220 --> 00:31:53,400
plausible but plausibility as as far as

759
00:31:58,100 --> 00:31:55,230
I've seen it but taken plausibility

760
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,110
doesn't necessarily mean actuality and

761
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:00,000
and of course conversations we've all

762
00:32:05,030 --> 00:32:02,310
had before on our own and in different

763
00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:05,040
settings is you know you can muse as

764
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:07,860
much as you wanted not how perhaps the

765
00:32:13,510 --> 00:32:10,730
ancient gods gods Devils demons angels

766
00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:13,520
everything in between ancient mankind

767
00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:16,500
labeled what they saw as those things

768
00:32:21,020 --> 00:32:18,510
perhaps they had encounters with

769
00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:21,030
non-human entities perhaps there is a a

770
00:32:25,580 --> 00:32:23,580
God that is over at all perhaps there

771
00:32:28,190 --> 00:32:25,590
are aliens perhaps there are something

772
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,200
else we don't know because frankly we

773
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:30,480
weren't there trying to sift through the

774
00:32:35,210 --> 00:32:32,850
evidence that's available really leaves

775
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:35,220
you scratching your head and saying it

776
00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:37,890
looks interesting but I don't know and I

777
00:32:42,260 --> 00:32:40,620
like to chalk a lot of this up too it's

778
00:32:45,460 --> 00:32:42,270
it's almost a reworking of ancient

779
00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:45,470
mythology you've got ancient mythology

780
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:49,140
re-emerging as the alien mythos today

781
00:32:54,770 --> 00:32:53,010
and so for me to say that I I fully

782
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:54,780
adhere to the ancient alien theory would

783
00:32:58,460 --> 00:32:57,240
just just be wrong I don't if some of

784
00:33:00,890 --> 00:32:58,470
the people we have speaking in our

785
00:33:03,090 --> 00:33:00,900
symposium certainly adhere to it I know

786
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:03,100
people like Laird Scranton we

787
00:33:07,530 --> 00:33:05,110
I don't know that he necessarily adheres

788
00:33:09,810 --> 00:33:07,540
to ancient alien theory as much as he

789
00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:09,820
talks about all these similarities and

790
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:10,990
linguistics and all the things that

791
00:33:15,870 --> 00:33:13,450
could possibly be so so that's that's

792
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:15,880
really where I'm left standing on that

793
00:33:20,850 --> 00:33:18,250
particular issue well I think you've

794
00:33:22,980 --> 00:33:20,860
just solved the mystery of why Giorgio

795
00:33:25,470 --> 00:33:22,990
su closes hair on the ancient aliens

796
00:33:30,210 --> 00:33:25,480
show looks the way it does it's because

797
00:33:31,740 --> 00:33:30,220
he's been scratching his head let's talk

798
00:33:34,530 --> 00:33:31,750
about the head scratching though and

799
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:34,540
that is if it isn't interaction with

800
00:33:40,530 --> 00:33:36,730
advanced beings other than of course

801
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:40,540
Scott interaction with ET whatever what

802
00:33:46,260 --> 00:33:43,810
possibly could it be coincidence a bunch

803
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:46,270
of coincidences we toss together what I

804
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:48,610
think it could be a combination at times

805
00:33:51,780 --> 00:33:50,050
and I know Scotty would agree about this

806
00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:51,790
because I mean I go to Scotty of course

807
00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:53,620
aside from planning paradigm symposium

808
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:55,240
and things like that I mean you know he

809
00:33:58,920 --> 00:33:56,890
and I are friends were very good friends

810
00:34:00,480 --> 00:33:58,930
in fact and we we work on a lot of

811
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:00,490
writing projects and research projects

812
00:34:04,650 --> 00:34:03,310
together and so I constantly Jean and

813
00:34:06,810 --> 00:34:04,660
Chris I'm always going back to Scotty

814
00:34:09,180 --> 00:34:06,820
and saying clarify for me again what you

815
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:09,190
think and and it is very much the case

816
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:10,570
that with regard to for instance his

817
00:34:13,580 --> 00:34:12,250
research with the Nephilim and things

818
00:34:16,290 --> 00:34:13,590
like this that there is a mythological

819
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:16,300
component that he is examining certainly

820
00:34:19,890 --> 00:34:17,650
we can get into the realm of saying now

821
00:34:22,050 --> 00:34:19,900
is this mythology derived from something

822
00:34:23,370 --> 00:34:22,060
that was actually authentic now for me

823
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:23,380
and this is something else in Scott yet

824
00:34:27,419 --> 00:34:24,610
maybe you can elaborate on this a bit

825
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:27,429
too for me I've always been more

826
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:29,919
intrigued in terms of for instance cave

827
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:32,080
art and things that often the ancient

828
00:34:35,460 --> 00:34:33,760
astronaut proponents have looked at and

829
00:34:37,620 --> 00:34:35,470
said see there it is proof these people

830
00:34:40,020 --> 00:34:37,630
were drawing and literally documenting

831
00:34:42,330 --> 00:34:40,030
their literal physical interactions with

832
00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:42,340
spacemen I look at those cave drawings I

833
00:34:45,659 --> 00:34:43,990
look at these sorts of evidences and I

834
00:34:47,370 --> 00:34:45,669
say well I mean you know I've also read

835
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really good fiction you know you could

836
00:34:51,450 --> 00:34:48,850
look at a book by Paul Anderson or H

837
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beam Piper and you could say did this

838
00:34:55,590 --> 00:34:53,230
individual have an encounter with an

839
00:34:57,390 --> 00:34:55,600
alien being and did they did they write

840
00:34:59,250 --> 00:34:57,400
that down and that this clearly what is

841
00:35:02,090 --> 00:34:59,260
intended to be a fiction novel was this

842
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:02,100
inspired by an actual circumstance

843
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Lovecraft

844
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inspired by dreams and so I think in

845
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:09,370
many instances probably the cave art

846
00:35:13,170 --> 00:35:11,770
could have been inspired by dreams or if

847
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we wanted to kind of follow the research

848
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:15,190
of Terence Mckenna we might say that

849
00:35:18,990 --> 00:35:16,510
there was a component you know some

850
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:19,000
- the ecstatic visions of the Shaymin

851
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and that you know a shamanistic kind of

852
00:35:26,010 --> 00:35:24,010
a vision could also have maybe produced

853
00:35:27,570 --> 00:35:26,020
these kinds of experiences but when you

854
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get into the work of researchers like

855
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swab it void of agenda a dr. Rick

856
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Strassman and the DMT studies that were

857
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carried out I believe it was Arizona

858
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State University in the nineteen

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nineties not only do you find a lot of

860
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parallels between people's reports of

861
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the entities that they allegedly

862
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encountered during the DMT State many of

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those participants said that it was a

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very realistic almost a lifelike or even

865
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a hyper-realistic

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interaction they had with these beings

867
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and and this is what's incredible to me

868
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:54,700
because again I could talk about all

869
00:35:58,410 --> 00:35:56,530
these do the other esoteric areas and

870
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I'm best known as a UFO UFO researcher

871
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you do also see some parallels between

872
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the reports of the ecstatic visionary

873
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experiences and the entities encountered

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there and some of the nighttime UFO

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encounters the abductions the mantises

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you know the light beings and even the

877
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alien greys there are so many

878
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,760
interesting comparisons and again it

879
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does to me come back around to

880
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comparative mythology the question I

881
00:36:23,340 --> 00:36:20,560
guess is where does that stem from

882
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ecstatic visions dreams imagination or

883
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:25,270
you know just utter mythology or is

884
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there at the essence at the very you

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know pinnacle of the mystery is there

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that literal physical interaction that

887
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:33,010
may have occurred I don't personally

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believe that but but I think that could

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causes all these things to be perceived

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997
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well it's it's more of a comment really

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or an observation I I think that one

999
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thing that's always intrigued me about

1000
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this subject is is some some fairly

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1003
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around the world that you do have what

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appear to be some very similar belief

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systems that have sprung up that have

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that have details about star beings

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coming down interacting with people

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actually possibly manipulating part of

1009
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the of the genetic structure of humans

1010
00:42:02,069 --> 00:42:00,040
these types of correlations I think are

1011
00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:02,079
very intriguing and indicates something

1012
00:42:07,309 --> 00:42:04,180
but you know again I think as Micah

1013
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:07,319
points out I mean ecstatic experiences

1014
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:09,760
chemically induced visions those sorts

1015
00:42:14,730 --> 00:42:12,310
of things do also have correlations so

1016
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it's very difficult to really you know

1017
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:17,920
look at especially in the non oral

1018
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traditions or the oral traditions that

1019
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are not written down it's it's extremely

1020
00:42:26,430 --> 00:42:23,369
difficult to really pin some of this

1021
00:42:27,809 --> 00:42:26,440
these correlations down but but I do

1022
00:42:29,579 --> 00:42:27,819
feel that there's something there

1023
00:42:30,690 --> 00:42:29,589
you know the History Channel sure does

1024
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that I think they're going into their

1025
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seventh season now of ancient aliens

1026
00:42:36,930 --> 00:42:35,530
talk about beating a dead horse I don't

1027
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:36,940
know how they're doing it but they're

1028
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managing to come up with with more and

1029
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more angles looking at this particular

1030
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subject it's very popular yeah I can't

1031
00:42:49,170 --> 00:42:46,420
begin to count how many books I've seen

1032
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in the last four years that have ancient

1033
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alien or a derivation of that term

1034
00:42:57,180 --> 00:42:53,980
there's been a bunch of them and it's

1035
00:42:59,280 --> 00:42:57,190
it's it's really it's it's a big subject

1036
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right now out there of course we have in

1037
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the fiction world that long series there

1038
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were several series based on the concept

1039
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of Stargate and Stargate sg-1 which

1040
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started out as a science fiction story

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about ancient aliens leaving this

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wormhole or transportation to

1043
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I called the Stargate and how they

1044
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interacted with us in ancient times all

1045
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right so can we assume then that if all

1046
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these things are being reported through

1047
00:43:32,579 --> 00:43:30,099
history interpreted within the cultural

1048
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conditions of the time but when we see

1049
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UFOs and think they're spaceships it's

1050
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all the same thing it's all the same

1051
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cause you know I I think there's

1052
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something to that there if you speak

1053
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anthropologically or archaeologically

1054
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you're going to say that civilizations

1055
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around the world by virtue of research

1056
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and study have all developed in some

1057
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kind of equina Minnis fashion they have

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all had very similar stories very

1059
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similar mythologies and so on and they

1060
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chalked that up to just human beings

1061
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developing at the same type of rate and

1062
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we developed certain kinds of

1063
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mythologies and certain kinds of

1064
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religions it's all just a pattern of

1065
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human development yet you look at some

1066
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of these things for instance if you look

1067
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at the Noah and the Ark story in the

1068
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book of Genesis there are over 600

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different cultural religious tribal

1070
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stories out there ancient stories of

1071
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major flood myths related to most of

1072
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them are spirit beings and visitations

1073
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and intermingling with humans and some

1074
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Grug God or greater being wanting to

1075
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wipe them out with a great flood is that

1076
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indicative of a singular event that took

1077
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place and everybody experienced that or

1078
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the stories just spread out and they

1079
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kept retelling the stories if you look

1080
00:45:04,890 --> 00:45:02,349
at a cave wall something Micah was

1081
00:45:06,990 --> 00:45:04,900
mentioning a little earlier the things

1082
00:45:09,930 --> 00:45:07,000
that that may have been chemically

1083
00:45:11,370 --> 00:45:09,940
induced visions and dream quests and

1084
00:45:14,839 --> 00:45:11,380
things like that and they record these

1085
00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:14,849
on cave walls and paintings and carvings

1086
00:45:19,950 --> 00:45:17,950
being an artist and an illustrator there

1087
00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:19,960
are days where I sit down and I feel

1088
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:21,940
like it's it's is awfully fun to sit

1089
00:45:26,579 --> 00:45:24,880
down and do an illustrated story and it

1090
00:45:29,790 --> 00:45:26,589
isn't because I was chemically induced

1091
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:29,800
sad to say it has nothing to do with a

1092
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:31,510
dream or a vision it just might have to

1093
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:34,690
be an idea I want to tell a story how do

1094
00:45:38,190 --> 00:45:36,310
we know that some of the things that

1095
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:38,200
we've seen on these walls paintings that

1096
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:41,170
date back thousands of years aren't just

1097
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:44,880
the resident priest or witch doctor or

1098
00:45:50,010 --> 00:45:48,310
resident artists that that said I got a

1099
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:50,020
great story and I want to put it up here

1100
00:45:54,270 --> 00:45:53,110
on the wall these are the things these

1101
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:54,280
are the questions we have to start

1102
00:46:00,420 --> 00:45:57,090
asking when we look at all of this is

1103
00:46:03,150 --> 00:46:00,430
what looks like similarities it's either

1104
00:46:06,690 --> 00:46:03,160
stark similarities and they do all

1105
00:46:09,660 --> 00:46:06,700
correspond to each other or it is this

1106
00:46:12,450 --> 00:46:09,670
this this equal development of human

1107
00:46:14,250 --> 00:46:12,460
culture anthropologically speaking or it

1108
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:14,260
could just be guys drawn on cave walls

1109
00:46:19,650 --> 00:46:17,170
but you know Bowser raises the question

1110
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:19,660
about sacred texts you know which ones I

1111
00:46:23,490 --> 00:46:20,770
mean right right

1112
00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:23,500
were they meant to be fables were they

1113
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:25,510
meant to be historical documents were

1114
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:28,960
they meant to be the equivalent of a

1115
00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:31,090
science fiction novel from 2000 years

1116
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:33,880
ago that's of course a big argument and

1117
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:36,130
how would we know if they're picked up

1118
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,510
maybe hundreds of years later and

1119
00:46:41,460 --> 00:46:39,760
someone said boy we can start religion

1120
00:46:43,950 --> 00:46:41,470
from this and they did that of course

1121
00:46:45,930 --> 00:46:43,960
with a certain science fiction writer in

1122
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:45,940
modern times and we don't want to get

1123
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:48,910
into Scientology at all you know on that

1124
00:46:55,710 --> 00:46:52,450
point specifically if you look at the

1125
00:46:56,580 --> 00:46:55,720
Hebrew religion and you look at and I

1126
00:46:58,500 --> 00:46:56,590
don't want to offend anybody

1127
00:47:02,220 --> 00:46:58,510
sensibilities out there who's listening

1128
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,230
to this but you look at Moses a man who

1129
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:04,960
I believe was an historical figure

1130
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:09,040
he created Judaism in a sense virtually

1131
00:47:12,750 --> 00:47:10,960
out of whole cloth you look at the book

1132
00:47:15,660 --> 00:47:12,760
of Genesis which is attributed to him

1133
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,670
look at the stories of creation and then

1134
00:47:19,410 --> 00:47:17,440
start comparing them to stories that

1135
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:19,420
existed in different cultures the

1136
00:47:25,220 --> 00:47:22,480
Mesopotamian cultures 1,500 and 2,000

1137
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:25,230
years earlier and you have such stark

1138
00:47:35,130 --> 00:47:29,610
similarities in in deity names in

1139
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:35,140
functions of deities in outcomes just in

1140
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:37,570
a quick nutshell you've got L LLL and

1141
00:47:43,580 --> 00:47:39,910
Enki er from the Mesopotamian culture

1142
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:43,590
the Anunnaki creating man

1143
00:47:50,660 --> 00:47:48,090
primeval man and the humans rebel and

1144
00:47:53,060 --> 00:47:50,670
one of the gods Anki yah comes down and

1145
00:47:54,830 --> 00:47:53,070
helps deliver them and is cast into the

1146
00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:54,840
subterranean caverns of the earth to

1147
00:47:59,780 --> 00:47:57,180
dwell forever you go to the Genesis

1148
00:48:02,600 --> 00:47:59,790
story instead of alil as the chief god

1149
00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:02,610
you now have L the the Hebrew word for

1150
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,440
God from the Canaanite culture who

1151
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:06,720
becomes L LLL I'm sorry it becomes

1152
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:10,050
Elohim el shaddai el avión you have Anki

1153
00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:12,390
is the base were very ah way which is

1154
00:48:17,660 --> 00:48:15,300
Jehovah and with the migration of

1155
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:17,670
religion over that 1500 to 2000 years

1156
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:19,650
you've got these religions incorporated

1157
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,130
instead of the gods creating primeval

1158
00:48:27,620 --> 00:48:25,440
man to do work for them he you have the

1159
00:48:29,060 --> 00:48:27,630
Genesis story God creates man and woman

1160
00:48:31,070 --> 00:48:29,070
puts him in the garden to do what to

1161
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:31,080
till the ground and keep it for him and

1162
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:33,450
then there's rebellion and there's the

1163
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:35,370
serpentine connections and there's the

1164
00:48:39,470 --> 00:48:37,290
subterranean caverns of the earth

1165
00:48:42,410 --> 00:48:39,480
connections and the forbidden knowledge

1166
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:42,420
connections and all of these things when

1167
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:44,850
you look at just that story alone in

1168
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:50,130
human culture you say boy Judaism as we

1169
00:48:55,220 --> 00:48:53,370
know it today Old Testament religion was

1170
00:48:59,360 --> 00:48:55,230
really founded on something much older

1171
00:49:02,060 --> 00:48:59,370
and even the if you remember the story

1172
00:49:04,430 --> 00:49:02,070
where Moses is at the burning bush what

1173
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,440
does God say you tell them I am since

1174
00:49:10,460 --> 00:49:07,200
you I am that I am now what's very

1175
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:10,470
interesting about that phrase and the

1176
00:49:16,270 --> 00:49:13,770
person who did the the the the work on

1177
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:16,280
this was David Rohl linguistically but

1178
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:20,160
that I am as a play on words it actually

1179
00:49:26,180 --> 00:49:24,450
is a linguistic derivation if you will

1180
00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:26,190
of the name

1181
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:29,160
Anke and i it's too long a detail to

1182
00:49:32,330 --> 00:49:30,660
explain here but in essence what the

1183
00:49:33,980 --> 00:49:32,340
biblical account with Moses at the

1184
00:49:38,510 --> 00:49:33,990
burning bush says God says you tell them

1185
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:38,520
I am that Enki they speak up now all of

1186
00:49:44,540 --> 00:49:40,970
these religions being brought together

1187
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:44,550
by the man who created Judaism or it's

1188
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:47,250
attributed to creating Judaism this is a

1189
00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:49,770
good picture of what I think has

1190
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:51,990
happened in humanity's past is that we

1191
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:55,740
merge cultures we merge religions we

1192
00:50:00,200 --> 00:49:56,880
merge spear

1193
00:50:03,410 --> 00:50:00,210
actualities if let's say for sake of

1194
00:50:06,499 --> 00:50:03,420
argument Moses indeed had a burning bush

1195
00:50:08,299 --> 00:50:06,509
epiphany a spiritual experience he was

1196
00:50:10,220 --> 00:50:08,309
the only one there the only one who saw

1197
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:10,230
it the only one who wrote about it but

1198
00:50:16,249 --> 00:50:13,170
he used that to move him to change

1199
00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:16,259
things so did he have a spiritual

1200
00:50:21,650 --> 00:50:18,180
experience was it a God was it

1201
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:21,660
extraterrestrial was it Anunnaki was it

1202
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:23,730
something else we don't know for sure we

1203
00:50:29,870 --> 00:50:26,970
weren't there but in an answer to that

1204
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:29,880
question all cultures I think have built

1205
00:50:34,220 --> 00:50:31,890
upon past cultures and borrow

1206
00:50:36,049 --> 00:50:34,230
information from other cultures and how

1207
00:50:38,749 --> 00:50:36,059
much is original information how much is

1208
00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:38,759
original experience we don't know it's

1209
00:50:43,069 --> 00:50:40,140
interesting though to look at the

1210
00:50:47,809 --> 00:50:43,079
cultural connections and the sea is this

1211
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:47,819
the way humankind advances in terms of

1212
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:51,210
our evolution or once again was there

1213
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:53,970
some kind of direct physical interaction

1214
00:50:58,089 --> 00:50:56,160
but now we're looking at events two

1215
00:51:01,160 --> 00:50:58,099
three four thousand years ago and more

1216
00:51:02,569 --> 00:51:01,170
and it's fine to find these stories and

1217
00:51:04,789 --> 00:51:02,579
it's really wonderful to look at all

1218
00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:04,799
these things we see in the caves and

1219
00:51:09,499 --> 00:51:05,640
they found something

1220
00:51:12,140 --> 00:51:09,509
Kris in Nevada just the other day some

1221
00:51:15,859 --> 00:51:12,150
kind of footprint or something makes a

1222
00:51:17,059 --> 00:51:15,869
lot of fascinating stories to tell but

1223
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:17,069
in the end this is the cliff-hanging

1224
00:51:23,329 --> 00:51:20,490
question how do we get to the bottom of

1225
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,339
this to see if there is a fundamental

1226
00:51:28,460 --> 00:51:25,680
reality behind all of it with Jeanne and

1227
00:51:31,110 --> 00:51:28,470
Kris Micah Hanks and Scottie Roberts

1228
00:51:38,589 --> 00:51:31,120
here in the para cast

1229
00:51:44,349 --> 00:51:41,229
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1230
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1231
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1232
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,289
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1233
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1234
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1243
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1244
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1245
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1246
00:52:22,930 --> 00:52:20,839
the people grow cotton wheat fabric

1247
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:22,940
engraving can bed strips and fibers to

1248
00:52:26,289 --> 00:52:24,559
protect from counterfeit than carding to

1249
00:52:26,829 --> 00:52:26,299
a private bank having a led back at

1250
00:52:28,509 --> 00:52:26,839
interest

1251
00:52:30,370 --> 00:52:28,519
forcing taxes to service debt this

1252
00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:30,380
capitalism was Jefferson correct when

1253
00:52:33,489 --> 00:52:31,849
stating a central bank issuing the

1254
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:33,499
public currency is a greater menace to

1255
00:52:35,979 --> 00:52:34,609
the liberties of the people than a

1256
00:52:37,390 --> 00:52:35,989
standing army today understand I'm

1257
00:52:39,219 --> 00:52:37,400
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1258
00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:39,229
that explains our monetary system call

1259
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:42,710
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

1260
00:52:51,130 --> 00:52:45,890
to understand the system call 866 to 237

1261
00:52:53,140 --> 00:52:51,140
that's 800 686 to 237 can heart and body

1262
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:53,150
extract help with other ailments besides

1263
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:54,559
heart conditions high blood pressure

1264
00:52:58,479 --> 00:52:56,210
clogged arteries or unbalanced

1265
00:53:00,900 --> 00:52:58,489
cholesterol it did for Karen I've been

1266
00:53:03,759 --> 00:53:00,910
using heart and body extract for

1267
00:53:06,609 --> 00:53:03,769
approximately two weeks I've had an ear

1268
00:53:08,589 --> 00:53:06,619
wax buildup problems for many years with

1269
00:53:11,380 --> 00:53:08,599
over-the-counter stuff not working at

1270
00:53:14,019 --> 00:53:11,390
all I have very poor hearing due to this

1271
00:53:16,089 --> 00:53:14,029
ear wax buildup well after two weeks of

1272
00:53:18,609 --> 00:53:16,099
taking heart and body extract my earwax

1273
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:18,619
build-up almost completely cleared up

1274
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:21,049
could this be the effect of better body

1275
00:53:24,940 --> 00:53:23,450
circulation heart and body extract is an

1276
00:53:26,890 --> 00:53:24,950
effective 100 percent organic

1277
00:53:28,450 --> 00:53:26,900
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1278
00:53:31,329 --> 00:53:28,460
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1279
00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:31,339
itself my hearing is almost completely

1280
00:53:37,390 --> 00:53:35,089
back to normal order by calling eight

1281
00:53:38,350 --> 00:53:37,400
six six two nine five five three zero

1282
00:53:41,290 --> 00:53:38,360
five four

1283
00:53:43,810 --> 00:53:41,300
online at HB extract calm that's eight

1284
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:43,820
six six two nine five five three zero

1285
00:53:56,170 --> 00:53:47,450
five or HB extract calm heart and body

1286
00:54:04,210 --> 00:53:59,870
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1287
00:54:12,589 --> 00:54:04,220
standard of paranormal radio and now

1288
00:54:14,779 --> 00:54:12,599
here's Jane Steinberg with gene and

1289
00:54:17,180 --> 00:54:14,789
Chris and scotty roberts and micah hanks

1290
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:17,190
a roundtable discussion as we look to

1291
00:54:23,509 --> 00:54:22,319
the Past for strange events myth reality

1292
00:54:26,059 --> 00:54:23,519
something in between

1293
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:26,069
chris you had a comment yeah I think

1294
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:28,890
Scotty you mentioned the the the whole

1295
00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:31,170
archetype of the the reptilian form and

1296
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,369
how that the you see correlations you

1297
00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:37,680
know across all the continents the

1298
00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:38,940
indigenous cultures here in North

1299
00:54:43,249 --> 00:54:39,480
America

1300
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:43,259
talk about palooka uh the you know the

1301
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:44,910
subterranean serpent that holds the

1302
00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:47,250
earth and balance you have the Nagas in

1303
00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:50,700
the Tibetan Buddhist tradition your

1304
00:54:54,589 --> 00:54:53,250
latest book really looks at some of

1305
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:54,599
these cross correlations with the

1306
00:55:00,589 --> 00:54:58,410
reptilian I guess would be an archetype

1307
00:55:02,420 --> 00:55:00,599
for lack of a better term but why don't

1308
00:55:05,150 --> 00:55:02,430
we go into some of those correlations

1309
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:05,160
real quick just to apply this this whole

1310
00:55:11,269 --> 00:55:08,250
idea of ancient cultures sharing very

1311
00:55:13,249 --> 00:55:11,279
similar I guess their own version of

1312
00:55:14,900 --> 00:55:13,259
some of these of the of these subjects

1313
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:14,910
especially this reptilian one this is

1314
00:55:18,740 --> 00:55:16,529
interesting I have fun and you know

1315
00:55:20,839 --> 00:55:18,750
Micah just did a show on this the other

1316
00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:20,849
night about invading or reptilians or

1317
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:22,950
something like that the the dominance in

1318
00:55:28,339 --> 00:55:24,420
our culture he can speak to that I think

1319
00:55:30,859 --> 00:55:28,349
a little bit but the reptilians as I see

1320
00:55:33,380 --> 00:55:30,869
them I talk about them as being this

1321
00:55:35,329 --> 00:55:33,390
this a pervasive presence throughout

1322
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:35,339
human history you find them in almost

1323
00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:38,609
every culture almost every religion in

1324
00:55:44,299 --> 00:55:42,180
one form or another and and you find

1325
00:55:46,670 --> 00:55:44,309
them in in simple things I haven't went

1326
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,680
down to identifying things you find them

1327
00:55:50,329 --> 00:55:48,240
where you don't even think about it of

1328
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,339
course the the medical caduceus is is

1329
00:55:54,499 --> 00:55:52,319
the first one we look at the the two

1330
00:55:56,089 --> 00:55:54,509
serpents wrapped around the pole but we

1331
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:56,099
don't think of things like even the

1332
00:56:01,160 --> 00:55:57,930
rattle snake on the don't tread on me

1333
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:01,170
colonial American flag the the serpent

1334
00:56:07,069 --> 00:56:04,380
shows up in so many peculiar places as a

1335
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:07,079
symbol of something a symbol of strength

1336
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:09,180
a symbol of power

1337
00:56:14,180 --> 00:56:11,010
it's a symbol that represented at the

1338
00:56:16,339 --> 00:56:14,190
same time both good and evil you you

1339
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,349
have the Chinese dragon that was happy

1340
00:56:22,130 --> 00:56:18,480
he was a happy character is fun

1341
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:22,140
fertility and and and bringing joy to

1342
00:56:27,410 --> 00:56:25,130
its people never a cursed thing at all

1343
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:27,420
all the way down to the serpent

1344
00:56:32,299 --> 00:56:29,670
character in the Garden of Eden in

1345
00:56:35,329 --> 00:56:32,309
Hebrew religion and Christianity where

1346
00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:35,339
you find that the serpent has become the

1347
00:56:39,890 --> 00:56:38,280
epitome of evil it's interesting when

1348
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:39,900
you start looking even on that point it

1349
00:56:43,819 --> 00:56:41,970
you start looking into Gnosticism and

1350
00:56:46,430 --> 00:56:43,829
some of the other religions that speak

1351
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:46,440
to that very thing and you will find

1352
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:48,690
that they start bringing in this this

1353
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:54,240
duality in in religion how the religion

1354
00:56:59,240 --> 00:56:57,210
will use or judeo-christianity has used

1355
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,250
the serpent to represent one thing when

1356
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,200
in reality it meant something else and

1357
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:03,359
the duality being is that there's

1358
00:57:06,349 --> 00:57:04,410
something completely different

1359
00:57:08,329 --> 00:57:06,359
underneath the surface there's a

1360
00:57:11,539 --> 00:57:08,339
completely different subtext to all of

1361
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,549
this it beings angered at with each

1362
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:13,680
other in fighting each other the Elohim

1363
00:57:18,589 --> 00:57:16,500
versus Jehovah and things like that it

1364
00:57:20,569 --> 00:57:18,599
comes up with all different kinds of

1365
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:20,579
religious theories that are actually

1366
00:57:24,410 --> 00:57:22,530
laced in the subtext of all of these

1367
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,420
things the serpents you find him

1368
00:57:29,210 --> 00:57:26,640
everywhere just just hitting some of

1369
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,220
them lightly you look at quetzel Codel

1370
00:57:33,319 --> 00:57:31,440
of the mayans they would the feathered

1371
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,329
serpent God and what did he do he

1372
00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:35,040
brought the forbidden knowledge of the

1373
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:37,500
gods to the humans and he was condemned

1374
00:57:44,569 --> 00:57:41,760
for this you have a Krishna in the Hindu

1375
00:57:46,670 --> 00:57:44,579
religions who sat atop a coiled serpent

1376
00:57:48,859 --> 00:57:46,680
beneath the banyan tree in a beautiful

1377
00:57:51,230 --> 00:57:48,869
garden and dispensed the forbidden

1378
00:57:54,289 --> 00:57:51,240
knowledge of the gods to the humans and

1379
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:54,299
in part this played in his demise you

1380
00:57:59,140 --> 00:57:57,210
have this archetype repeated over and

1381
00:58:03,200 --> 00:57:59,150
over and over again in human history

1382
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:03,210
where the there is some dispensing of

1383
00:58:07,970 --> 00:58:05,970
knowledge to the human race in the

1384
00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:07,980
mythologies and in the spiritualities

1385
00:58:14,329 --> 00:58:12,180
that is linked to some serpentine that

1386
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:14,339
ends up in that serpentine either

1387
00:58:19,970 --> 00:58:17,970
causing demise or or the eradication of

1388
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:19,980
those delivering the knowledge and you

1389
00:58:23,870 --> 00:58:20,970
even have the

1390
00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:23,880
in the book of Genesis and I'll just say

1391
00:58:27,020 --> 00:58:25,470
this and maybe move on mike has got some

1392
00:58:29,950 --> 00:58:27,030
some good things I'm sure he can throw

1393
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:29,960
in here but in the book of Genesis right

1394
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,570
after the story of Adam and Eve and what

1395
00:58:38,109 --> 00:58:35,520
does he do she takes the fruit and eats

1396
00:58:41,540 --> 00:58:38,119
it because the serpent character

1397
00:58:44,810 --> 00:58:41,550
beguiles her or seduces her as it is in

1398
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:44,820
Hebrew and immediately you have a verse

1399
00:58:50,750 --> 00:58:48,720
in Genesis 3 Word says and Elohim the

1400
00:58:52,700 --> 00:58:50,760
name used for God the most in the Old

1401
00:58:56,690 --> 00:58:52,710
Testament which is a plurality as well

1402
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:56,700
as a single singular and Elohim said the

1403
00:59:01,370 --> 00:58:59,280
humans have eaten of the tree of the

1404
00:59:05,660 --> 00:59:01,380
knowledge of good and evil and become

1405
00:59:07,250 --> 00:59:05,670
just like us let us therefore prevent

1406
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:07,260
them from also eating of the Tree of

1407
00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:09,690
Life unless they become like gods and

1408
00:59:14,510 --> 00:59:12,150
then you've got all the fall out of the

1409
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:14,520
Garden of Eden story so you look at

1410
00:59:18,740 --> 00:59:17,250
these tales if you are judeo-christian

1411
00:59:21,260 --> 00:59:18,750
by faith you're gonna believe them and

1412
00:59:23,390 --> 00:59:21,270
usually that's fact if you try to step

1413
00:59:25,070 --> 00:59:23,400
outside that box and look back in you

1414
00:59:27,410 --> 00:59:25,080
say that looks like an awful lot of

1415
00:59:29,839 --> 00:59:27,420
other mythologies out there and they all

1416
00:59:32,690 --> 00:59:29,849
merge at the edges and so there's this

1417
00:59:36,740 --> 00:59:32,700
great reptilian mythos out there that I

1418
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:36,750
think the modern version of that is the

1419
00:59:42,650 --> 00:59:39,930
reptilians subculture and by the way I

1420
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:42,660
was chided on a radio show once by a

1421
00:59:47,570 --> 00:59:45,450
caller was was one of the other hosts on

1422
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:47,580
their network and he called and was just

1423
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:50,400
enraged with me because I was talking

1424
00:59:54,589 --> 00:59:52,770
about it being mythological and he said

1425
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:54,599
you can go to the internet you can see

1426
00:59:58,940 --> 00:59:56,970
thousands of pictures of our world

1427
01:00:01,160 --> 00:59:58,950
leaders with reptilian eyes and

1428
01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:01,170
shape-shifting how dare you say it's

1429
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:04,680
mythology so I just I think I think you

1430
01:00:09,740 --> 01:00:06,810
just proved it right there if you look

1431
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:09,750
at the eyes of every world leader even

1432
01:00:14,839 --> 01:00:12,570
Obama Putin the Bush's you look at their

1433
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:14,849
eyes oh my god if you catch them at the

1434
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:16,770
right Photoshop I mean the right moment

1435
01:00:21,290 --> 01:00:19,290
you are gonna see vertical irises of

1436
01:00:24,260 --> 01:00:21,300
course if you look at that TV show V

1437
01:00:26,930 --> 01:00:24,270
Alabama yes you know people that that

1438
01:00:30,290 --> 01:00:26,940
claim this that these close-ups of

1439
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:30,300
Hillary Clinton or or George Bush or

1440
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:32,880
whatever I mean that's that those are

1441
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:33,850
artifacts from

1442
01:00:38,850 --> 01:00:36,490
compression that's they will claim well

1443
01:00:41,730 --> 01:00:38,860
I did nothing to that video now by the

1444
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:41,740
way in my mockery of the things that are

1445
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:43,930
worthy of being mocked don't

1446
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:45,910
misinterpret that as me saying there is

1447
01:00:49,770 --> 01:00:48,250
no possibility here of the any of this

1448
01:00:50,970 --> 01:00:49,780
being true I'm not talking about the

1449
01:00:53,340 --> 01:00:50,980
photographs I'm talking about the

1450
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:53,350
theories behind it that there is

1451
01:00:59,160 --> 01:00:56,530
something that could be that as dr. John

1452
01:01:02,400 --> 01:00:59,170
Ward puts it he talks about that hidden

1453
01:01:04,370 --> 01:01:02,410
hand in human events is there a hidden

1454
01:01:07,050 --> 01:01:04,380
hand in human events is there a

1455
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:07,060
reptilian connection to that or

1456
01:01:11,820 --> 01:01:09,610
something that we've translated into the

1457
01:01:13,740 --> 01:01:11,830
reptilian connection for me to say it

1458
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:13,750
does not exist would be woefully

1459
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:17,530
arrogant so I like to say I cannot prove

1460
01:01:21,570 --> 01:01:20,050
that it exists it's intriguing to talk

1461
01:01:23,490 --> 01:01:21,580
about how it exists and it looks like

1462
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:23,500
there might be some veracity to some of

1463
01:01:27,690 --> 01:01:26,050
this but we don't know for sure well

1464
01:01:31,470 --> 01:01:27,700
Michael where do you come down on this

1465
01:01:34,380 --> 01:01:31,480
this whole idea of this reptilian I

1466
01:01:37,710 --> 01:01:34,390
guess factor correlation you know again

1467
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:37,720
I would I would come back around to the

1468
01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:40,570
ecstatic visions and and be the DMT

1469
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:42,310
experiences because you know this is one

1470
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:43,690
of the first areas of interest that uh

1471
01:01:48,810 --> 01:01:46,240
that I began to publish about these

1472
01:01:50,700 --> 01:01:48,820
kinds of presences I guess you could

1473
01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:50,710
call them that because again when we

1474
01:01:54,930 --> 01:01:52,990
talk about literal interactions with

1475
01:01:56,310 --> 01:01:54,940
actual reptilians I think that we should

1476
01:01:58,140 --> 01:01:56,320
probably say that I know a lot of

1477
01:02:00,120 --> 01:01:58,150
listeners are aware of this and while

1478
01:02:02,310 --> 01:02:00,130
there is that mythological you know

1479
01:02:04,770 --> 01:02:02,320
aspect to this there are a lot of people

1480
01:02:07,170 --> 01:02:04,780
out there in UFO circles who literally

1481
01:02:09,450 --> 01:02:07,180
think that there are you know these vile

1482
01:02:11,310 --> 01:02:09,460
reptilian aliens that are trying to take

1483
01:02:13,050 --> 01:02:11,320
over the world and that you know guys

1484
01:02:15,450 --> 01:02:13,060
like David Icke have come out and said

1485
01:02:17,340 --> 01:02:15,460
we're I Corey Kiev I've heard it

1486
01:02:19,470 --> 01:02:17,350
pronounced both ways but you know that

1487
01:02:21,930 --> 01:02:19,480
there are literally contingents of

1488
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:21,940
reptilian human hybrids among our world

1489
01:02:26,250 --> 01:02:23,890
leaders who are trying to take over the

1490
01:02:27,180 --> 01:02:26,260
world which has spawned memes and and

1491
01:02:28,980 --> 01:02:27,190
then of course we find these

1492
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:28,990
photoshopped images online and then

1493
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:29,920
people who are actually making

1494
01:02:35,490 --> 01:02:32,410
assertions about what you just mentioned

1495
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:35,500
Chris literal you know I guess they're

1496
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:37,210
really digital artifacts and things that

1497
01:02:41,220 --> 01:02:39,280
can cause a person's eye to appear

1498
01:02:42,930 --> 01:02:41,230
strange when they blink I had a little

1499
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:42,940
fun with one time when I did a video

1500
01:02:46,260 --> 01:02:44,530
interview and at one point I blinked in

1501
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:46,270
both my eyes for a moment turned this

1502
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:47,650
bright silver

1503
01:02:50,370 --> 01:02:49,210
was because of the Skype connection but

1504
01:02:52,010 --> 01:02:50,380
of course you know I told everybody

1505
01:02:56,670 --> 01:02:52,020
there there it is it's proof I'm an

1506
01:02:58,020 --> 01:02:56,680
reptilian hybrid there is a it's very

1507
01:03:01,350 --> 01:02:58,030
interesting because for some reason

1508
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:01,360
people do tend to believe certain

1509
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:03,280
factions of the UFO community especially

1510
01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:05,650
do Tim to believe that this is one

1511
01:03:08,310 --> 01:03:07,510
element of the ongoing interaction that

1512
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:08,320
we humans are having with

1513
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:09,730
extraterrestrials now again I don't hold

1514
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:11,530
that view but I'm a lot like Kevin

1515
01:03:14,730 --> 01:03:13,090
Randle in the sense that I also don't

1516
01:03:17,850 --> 01:03:14,740
think that abduction is something that

1517
01:03:20,580 --> 01:03:17,860
necessarily should be examined at all

1518
01:03:22,830 --> 01:03:20,590
times alongside UFO research but pause

1519
01:03:25,620 --> 01:03:22,840
of the parallels between what we see

1520
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:25,630
with abduction and of course these

1521
01:03:28,980 --> 01:03:27,370
ecstatic experiences and things where

1522
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:28,990
again you'll find that people often do

1523
01:03:32,310 --> 01:03:31,210
make mention of seeing reptilian beings

1524
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:32,320
and things like that I don't doubt that

1525
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:33,760
people have had what they believe are

1526
01:03:35,970 --> 01:03:34,930
real experiences where they have

1527
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:35,980
encountered what they would call a

1528
01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:38,170
reptilian I gotta break it here

1529
01:03:42,810 --> 01:03:40,630
reptilian break Scottie Roberts Micah

1530
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:42,820
Hanks with gene and Chris you're in the

1531
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para cast attack of the rock odes has

1532
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:52,420
been well received by critics and

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readers alike it's a thrill a minute

1534
01:03:59,640 --> 01:03:57,280
story you'll never forget a former US

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01:04:01,560 --> 01:03:59,650
military intelligence officer is haunted

1536
01:04:04,050 --> 01:04:01,570
by intense dreams about a beautiful

1537
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:04,060
woman pleading for his help after a

1538
01:04:09,300 --> 01:04:07,210
terrible battle in outer space but the

1539
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:09,310
dreams turn out to be true and thrust

1540
01:04:14,250 --> 01:04:11,170
him into a telepathic love affair with a

1541
01:04:16,590 --> 01:04:14,260
woman whose faraway planet is intent on

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destroying the earth and now the

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gripping tale continues in but coming of

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the protectors it's the second book of

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the rawhides trilogy a galaxy spanning

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adventure that pits our hapless heroes

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against powerful fanatical enemies that

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threaten the lives of freedom loving

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Warren Buffett John Paulson are dumping

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never realize it is the high acidity

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reptilians okay Micha Hank Scottie

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01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:16,410
Roberts joining gene and Chris and that

1629
01:08:22,420 --> 01:08:18,530
of course we have that paradigm

1630
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:22,430
conference symposium coming in October

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01:08:29,059 --> 01:08:25,920
in Minneapolis st. Paul that's gonna be

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01:08:31,490 --> 01:08:29,069
fun I think when people in terms of

1633
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:31,500
abduction research or anyone looking

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01:08:37,070 --> 01:08:34,170
into these mysteries their point of view

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01:08:38,570 --> 01:08:37,080
is all right if it's not real if people

1636
01:08:40,940 --> 01:08:38,580
are just dreaming about it the stories

1637
01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:40,950
would be all over the place the fact

1638
01:08:48,020 --> 01:08:44,310
that there is a consistency among for

1639
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:48,030
example abduction claims shows some kind

1640
01:08:53,180 --> 01:08:49,730
of reality I'll give you an example

1641
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:53,190
abduction researchers have apparently or

1642
01:08:59,000 --> 01:08:55,920
is what they say a fact a fact is a

1643
01:09:01,730 --> 01:08:59,010
certain component of an abduction tale

1644
01:09:04,820 --> 01:09:01,740
that shows a consistency and a

1645
01:09:07,579 --> 01:09:04,830
resemblance to other tales showing a

1646
01:09:10,430 --> 01:09:07,589
similar underlying cause but they never

1647
01:09:10,910 --> 01:09:10,440
say what that fact is so when it comes

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01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:10,920
up

1649
01:09:17,630 --> 01:09:14,010
aha that's proof that something happened

1650
01:09:21,170 --> 01:09:17,640
so the question is here does consistency

1651
01:09:23,150 --> 01:09:21,180
show reality or just part of the human

1652
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:23,160
psyche I like that you bring up the fact

1653
01:09:26,420 --> 01:09:25,410
by the way Gina remember Ray Palmer of

1654
01:09:28,340 --> 01:09:26,430
course I believe had been

1655
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:28,350
one who had begun to to talk about a

1656
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:29,610
fact that eeeh

1657
01:09:33,950 --> 01:09:31,920
could you know well I didn't want to say

1658
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:33,960
Ray Palmer because I remember that well

1659
01:09:38,750 --> 01:09:36,210
and that's been the subject of a couple

1660
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:38,760
of episodes at the power cast over this

1661
01:09:42,530 --> 01:09:41,040
year yeah absolutely so we don't have to

1662
01:09:43,940 --> 01:09:42,540
get into Wright Palmer right now but but

1663
01:09:45,530 --> 01:09:43,950
bringing it back around a deduction

1664
01:09:47,570 --> 01:09:45,540
again what you point out is that people

1665
01:09:49,490 --> 01:09:47,580
will often look at the consistency of

1666
01:09:51,170 --> 01:09:49,500
the experience and they will say see

1667
01:09:53,630 --> 01:09:51,180
there's clearly something going on here

1668
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:53,640
now I won't deny that I will say however

1669
01:09:57,440 --> 01:09:55,380
though that people have abduction like

1670
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:57,450
experiences that sometimes occur from

1671
01:10:02,810 --> 01:10:00,960
you know outside the conventional UFO

1672
01:10:04,850 --> 01:10:02,820
close encounter some people have

1673
01:10:06,590 --> 01:10:04,860
actually had what we might term an

1674
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:06,600
abduction experience that occurs

1675
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,490
completely outside of anything in

1676
01:10:13,370 --> 01:10:10,800
relation to a flying saucer a UFO or any

1677
01:10:15,020 --> 01:10:13,380
other kind of unidentified aircraft now

1678
01:10:17,420 --> 01:10:15,030
then again there are also some object

1679
01:10:18,980 --> 01:10:17,430
reports that obviously involve what

1680
01:10:21,050 --> 01:10:18,990
appears to be an abduction just as well

1681
01:10:22,250 --> 01:10:21,060
such as the Travis Walton incident or

1682
01:10:25,670 --> 01:10:22,260
one of my favorites the Pascagoula

1683
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:25,680
Mississippi abduction in 1973 and so I

1684
01:10:28,730 --> 01:10:27,330
think that you can't rule out that there

1685
01:10:31,370 --> 01:10:28,740
is a component where people claim that

1686
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:31,380
they see a UFO by definition are taken

1687
01:10:34,460 --> 01:10:32,490
aboard that craft and have this

1688
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:34,470
experience in an exotic environment with

1689
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:36,690
exotic looking beings but then maybe we

1690
01:10:40,850 --> 01:10:38,090
should also look at some of the

1691
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:40,860
alternative aspects that can not only

1692
01:10:45,050 --> 01:10:43,440
maybe explain aspects of that but at

1693
01:10:47,540 --> 01:10:45,060
least give us you know a different

1694
01:10:49,130 --> 01:10:47,550
perspective on what underlying the

1695
01:10:51,410 --> 01:10:49,140
abduction phenomenon could be going on

1696
01:10:53,090 --> 01:10:51,420
and in the book revelations and also to

1697
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:53,100
an extended messengers of deception

1698
01:10:57,550 --> 01:10:55,440
balle talked about the fact that he felt

1699
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:57,560
that there could be subversive

1700
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:00,000
terrestrial technologies that could be

1701
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:01,650
producing essentially these kind of

1702
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:03,810
abduction experiences no valet I think

1703
01:11:06,620 --> 01:11:05,610
he put up very interesting questions and

1704
01:11:08,300 --> 01:11:06,630
even if you just look at that his

1705
01:11:10,370 --> 01:11:08,310
speculation you have to say and he

1706
01:11:11,810 --> 01:11:10,380
claimed also that he had a fact to an

1707
01:11:13,940 --> 01:11:11,820
extent but that he couldn't produce all

1708
01:11:15,890 --> 01:11:13,950
the information about that for reasons

1709
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:15,900
of anonymity and things like that for

1710
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:17,280
which he drew a lot of criticism at

1711
01:11:20,300 --> 01:11:18,570
times but I think that even if you just

1712
01:11:22,430 --> 01:11:20,310
look at that in a speculative fashion

1713
01:11:25,010 --> 01:11:22,440
what valet inspired us to do was say

1714
01:11:27,260 --> 01:11:25,020
okay we know that humans exist could

1715
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,270
there be a human explanation behind some

1716
01:11:30,260 --> 01:11:29,040
of the abduction reports even some

1717
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:30,270
researchers like Whitley Strieber

1718
01:11:33,470 --> 01:11:32,010
have talked about that over the years I

1719
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:33,480
don't think we can rule that out in

1720
01:11:37,340 --> 01:11:35,970
terms of the the broad-reaching UFO

1721
01:11:39,050 --> 01:11:37,350
phenomenon we can't always assert that

1722
01:11:40,370 --> 01:11:39,060
there is something alien going on and

1723
01:11:43,460 --> 01:11:40,380
the consistency of

1724
01:11:45,260 --> 01:11:43,470
again the reptilian meme or archetype we

1725
01:11:46,730 --> 01:11:45,270
can't say that that is there for proof

1726
01:11:48,770 --> 01:11:46,740
that reptilians are trying to control

1727
01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:48,780
planet Earth and abduct us and probe us

1728
01:11:50,660 --> 01:11:49,800
and all of that sort of thing I

1729
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:50,670
definitely think there's a phenomenon

1730
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:52,530
I'm not sure what that is and I don't

1731
01:11:56,930 --> 01:11:54,570
know if it's alien and as I suggested

1732
01:11:59,390 --> 01:11:56,940
before maybe we're seeing aliens because

1733
01:12:01,400 --> 01:11:59,400
that's part of our culture well you know

1734
01:12:03,380 --> 01:12:01,410
if we followed Ballet's determinations

1735
01:12:05,090 --> 01:12:03,390
he had said again that he felt that the

1736
01:12:07,010 --> 01:12:05,100
fairy folklore of the British Isles and

1737
01:12:10,130 --> 01:12:07,020
other world cultures from you know the

1738
01:12:12,230 --> 01:12:10,140
past was parallel to what we perceive as

1739
01:12:14,420 --> 01:12:12,240
the UFO phenomenon today now if we all

1740
01:12:15,710 --> 01:12:14,430
evolved transhumanism takes place or

1741
01:12:17,570 --> 01:12:15,720
something like that and we all become

1742
01:12:19,670 --> 01:12:17,580
you know the aliens that we perceive

1743
01:12:24,770 --> 01:12:19,680
today what will a Lian's perceive will

1744
01:12:26,690 --> 01:12:24,780
they perceive humans perhaps they're

1745
01:12:30,110 --> 01:12:26,700
wondering when we're going to visit them

1746
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:30,120
yes I've got some alien some godforsaken

1747
01:12:34,430 --> 01:12:32,850
planet and some godforsaken galaxies

1748
01:12:36,350 --> 01:12:34,440
billions of light years from here

1749
01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:36,360
holding up a sign saying take me home

1750
01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:38,820
you know and I was going to suggest and

1751
01:12:43,700 --> 01:12:41,490
Myka brought it up to the whole notion

1752
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:43,710
of you think of course of the Celtic

1753
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:46,290
fairies the Irish fairy folk the Fae and

1754
01:12:51,380 --> 01:12:49,050
all the different the the Ben Shea and

1755
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:51,390
the Shi all of these different entities

1756
01:12:55,340 --> 01:12:52,530
that are there

1757
01:12:56,900 --> 01:12:55,350
you've got Roman Catholicism in their

1758
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:56,910
theology we'll teach you than all of

1759
01:13:02,180 --> 01:12:59,280
these types of beings worse or he exists

1760
01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:02,190
they were the spirits that were too good

1761
01:13:06,380 --> 01:13:04,500
for hell but too bad for heaven back

1762
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:06,390
during the wars in heaven and so in

1763
01:13:09,950 --> 01:13:08,400
Roman Catholic theology we'll say that

1764
01:13:12,170 --> 01:13:09,960
they were cast to the earth and they

1765
01:13:13,580 --> 01:13:12,180
have there they're not necessarily evil

1766
01:13:17,210 --> 01:13:13,590
but they're not necessarily good either

1767
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:17,220
then you will have like Micah says the

1768
01:13:22,100 --> 01:13:19,290
Jacques Vallee I don't know if he put

1769
01:13:24,500 --> 01:13:22,110
this forward as much but there are today

1770
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:24,510
there are certainly researchers and

1771
01:13:29,420 --> 01:13:27,120
theologians that will try to align the

1772
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:29,430
fairy folk with the demonic and with the

1773
01:13:33,290 --> 01:13:31,170
alien and kind of lump those all

1774
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:33,300
together I've got a book here or

1775
01:13:37,820 --> 01:13:35,330
something called unholy communion

1776
01:13:41,180 --> 01:13:37,830
written by a couple of evangelicals that

1777
01:13:44,060 --> 01:13:41,190
talks about this very thing and so the

1778
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:44,070
the theories are certainly that abound

1779
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:46,770
out there with all the different types

1780
01:13:50,510 --> 01:13:48,690
of spirit beings that you might be just

1781
01:13:52,669 --> 01:13:50,520
having different incarnations of the

1782
01:13:56,299 --> 01:13:52,679
same thing but be they all

1783
01:13:58,459 --> 01:13:56,309
aliens all demonic all angelic all

1784
01:14:00,770 --> 01:13:58,469
spirits all something different or all

1785
01:14:03,109 --> 01:14:00,780
different kinds of things we don't know

1786
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:03,119
all right so I think there's another

1787
01:14:06,500 --> 01:14:04,530
question that we'll ask from the

1788
01:14:08,270 --> 01:14:06,510
skeptical point of view and that is

1789
01:14:10,489 --> 01:14:08,280
these are great stories to collect and

1790
01:14:13,939 --> 01:14:10,499
some of those things we find in caves

1791
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:13,949
and these artifacts are intriguing but

1792
01:14:19,370 --> 01:14:16,800
is there ever any way we can prove

1793
01:14:21,259 --> 01:14:19,380
anything without this outside force

1794
01:14:23,689 --> 01:14:21,269
making itself known if there is an

1795
01:14:25,219 --> 01:14:23,699
independent outside force well you know

1796
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:25,229
gene that brings to mind something very

1797
01:14:30,379 --> 01:14:27,840
important and I would like to tie this

1798
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:30,389
more to modern UFO research because you

1799
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:32,489
know Scotty and I are both very esoteric

1800
01:14:36,350 --> 01:14:34,170
and our interests I think that you have

1801
01:14:37,699 --> 01:14:36,360
to look at all these areas and this is

1802
01:14:39,290 --> 01:14:37,709
something Chris and I and our personal

1803
01:14:41,540 --> 01:14:39,300
conversations have talked about time and

1804
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:41,550
time again and something that drew me to

1805
01:14:45,290 --> 01:14:43,170
Chris's research also stalking the

1806
01:14:47,540 --> 01:14:45,300
tricksters and books like that you have

1807
01:14:50,029 --> 01:14:47,550
to look at all the different varieties

1808
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:50,039
of phenomenon so as to perhaps better be

1809
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:51,570
able to understand them as individuals

1810
01:14:55,850 --> 01:14:53,760
and there's an art to being able to look

1811
01:14:57,979 --> 01:14:55,860
at them individually and not allow your

1812
01:14:59,839 --> 01:14:57,989
interest in your focus on other areas to

1813
01:15:01,279 --> 01:14:59,849
necessarily contaminate you have to be

1814
01:15:02,719 --> 01:15:01,289
able to see parallels without allowing

1815
01:15:04,759 --> 01:15:02,729
them to contaminate and say that there's

1816
01:15:06,199 --> 01:15:04,769
this unity between all these things and

1817
01:15:08,569 --> 01:15:06,209
we're all experiencing the same thing so

1818
01:15:09,919 --> 01:15:08,579
in the context of modern ufology I'm

1819
01:15:11,870 --> 01:15:09,929
very quick to point out for instance

1820
01:15:14,330 --> 01:15:11,880
that we have a lot of evidence in the

1821
01:15:15,770 --> 01:15:14,340
form of eyewitness testimonies in fact

1822
01:15:17,239 --> 01:15:15,780
I've put an article up on my website

1823
01:15:19,489 --> 01:15:17,249
recently that talks about police

1824
01:15:21,410 --> 01:15:19,499
officers encountering UFOs and multiple

1825
01:15:23,359 --> 01:15:21,420
witness UFO encounters that involve

1826
01:15:25,699 --> 01:15:23,369
police those are very credible and they

1827
01:15:27,529 --> 01:15:25,709
seem to amount to something but the

1828
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:27,539
eyewitness even the very very good

1829
01:15:31,370 --> 01:15:29,610
eyewitness encounter and has to be

1830
01:15:33,169 --> 01:15:31,380
differentiated from the physical

1831
01:15:35,689 --> 01:15:33,179
evidence the hard proof you know the

1832
01:15:37,279 --> 01:15:35,699
metallic slag or you know the radiation

1833
01:15:39,589 --> 01:15:37,289
that is something that I don't think

1834
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:39,599
that researchers today focus on as much

1835
01:15:43,759 --> 01:15:42,090
as maybe they did in the past and maybe

1836
01:15:45,589 --> 01:15:43,769
that is because of so much speculation

1837
01:15:47,689 --> 01:15:45,599
in the field of ufology or anything else

1838
01:15:49,790 --> 01:15:47,699
we're gonna need absolute hard physical

1839
01:15:51,049 --> 01:15:49,800
proof in order to actually prove

1840
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:51,059
something that's why they call it proof

1841
01:15:54,799 --> 01:15:53,010
there may be evidence of other things

1842
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:54,809
and we may be able to attain this

1843
01:15:57,199 --> 01:15:56,130
evidence through testimony but that

1844
01:15:58,910 --> 01:15:57,209
alone I don't think is going to be

1845
01:16:00,410 --> 01:15:58,920
enough to prove and that's one of the

1846
01:16:02,540 --> 01:16:00,420
problems we face when we look at ancient

1847
01:16:04,279 --> 01:16:02,550
mysteries is we can't travel back in

1848
01:16:06,750 --> 01:16:04,289
time people are always looking for proof

1849
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:06,760
you know dig science ancient burial man

1850
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:08,770
different various sites throughout the

1851
01:16:12,510 --> 01:16:10,480
ancient world that exists today they

1852
01:16:14,670 --> 01:16:12,520
want to find proof of interaction with

1853
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:14,680
intelligent beings and the like it may

1854
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:16,210
be more difficult for us to find that

1855
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:17,410
and I think that the only thing that we

1856
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:18,880
have concretely found is proof that

1857
01:16:22,380 --> 01:16:20,560
there were intelligences here on earth

1858
01:16:24,540 --> 01:16:22,390
that were of a terrestrial variety they

1859
01:16:25,860 --> 01:16:24,550
were capable of advanced things and of

1860
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:25,870
course this is probably the source

1861
01:16:30,540 --> 01:16:27,520
behind these pyramids and things like

1862
01:16:32,730 --> 01:16:30,550
this like this mica Hank Scottie Roberts

1863
01:16:40,620 --> 01:16:32,740
joining gene and Chris you're in the

1864
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of the f1 cycle peed in other books when

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[Music]

1966
01:21:16,030 --> 01:21:12,380
so we look at this the possible

1967
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interaction with advanced ancients who

1968
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were of this earth I know briefly with

1969
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our conversation with Walter Bosley last

1970
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:22,880
week we were talking about possible

1971
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breakaway civilizations and that's also

1972
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:28,250
indicated by the book by the late Mac

1973
01:21:32,740 --> 01:21:30,770
Tony's the crypto terrestrials by

1974
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discussions of dearest heroes whatever

1975
01:21:38,260 --> 01:21:35,510
that at one time we did have this

1976
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breakaway civilization that exists unto

1977
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itself has its own advancements and

1978
01:21:45,190 --> 01:21:42,350
occasionally we see them in the way of

1979
01:21:48,370 --> 01:21:45,200
UFOs the theory that maybe our

1980
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governments know of them but choose not

1981
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to intervene because they have no choice

1982
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and therefore they have this uneasy

1983
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truce we don't know you know it's it's

1984
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interesting when we when we look at that

1985
01:22:01,180 --> 01:21:59,630
especially in relation to something I'm

1986
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sure your listenership is well

1987
01:22:05,230 --> 01:22:02,810
acquainted with and that is the idea of

1988
01:22:07,090 --> 01:22:05,240
a Nazi UFO mythos you know earlier this

1989
01:22:09,190 --> 01:22:07,100
year Chris and I caught up with rich

1990
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:09,200
Dolan and throughout the weekend at the

1991
01:22:12,910 --> 01:22:10,730
International UFO Congress rich and I

1992
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,920
brought that subject up a few times the

1993
01:22:16,660 --> 01:22:14,960
breakaway civilization component is

1994
01:22:17,890 --> 01:22:16,670
interesting to me because there are a

1995
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lot of ways that people could look at

1996
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that for instance one theory held that

1997
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some researchers have put forth is that

1998
01:22:26,410 --> 01:22:24,560
maybe aspects of what we call the UFO

1999
01:22:28,690 --> 01:22:26,420
phenomenon could actually stem from an

2000
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ancient civilization that emanated here

2001
01:22:32,830 --> 01:22:31,130
on earth and that broke away and that

2002
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:32,840
they have continued to have interactions

2003
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with planet earth throughout and and of

2004
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:36,320
course you know I guess this gets into

2005
01:22:39,850 --> 01:22:37,850
kind of an eschatological discussion

2006
01:22:41,470 --> 01:22:39,860
because the theory would also

2007
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incorporate that throughout the ages

2008
01:22:44,860 --> 01:22:43,460
there have been cataclysmic events that

2009
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have occurred on planet Earth erased

2010
01:22:49,390 --> 01:22:47,600
notions of the ancient terrestrial

2011
01:22:50,590 --> 01:22:49,400
technologies that existed here we think

2012
01:22:52,630 --> 01:22:50,600
that were the first ones to have

2013
01:22:54,010 --> 01:22:52,640
achieved this state and yet we are met

2014
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:54,020
with the presence that appears to extend

2015
01:22:58,360 --> 01:22:56,690
far beyond that now that gets almost

2016
01:22:59,470 --> 01:22:58,370
into the realm of more what I would call

2017
01:23:01,500 --> 01:22:59,480
science fiction again it's very

2018
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:01,510
difficult to prove that our UFO

2019
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:03,440
companions whatever these things are and

2020
01:23:07,540 --> 01:23:04,610
I do think that there are tangible

2021
01:23:09,850 --> 01:23:07,550
physical UFO craft interacting with us

2022
01:23:11,620 --> 01:23:09,860
here on planet Earth I don't know that

2023
01:23:13,270 --> 01:23:11,630
we can assert with certainty that they

2024
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were terrestrial ones that they left and

2025
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if they've come back and that they were

2026
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here before we were and

2027
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to escape before whatever great

2028
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Cataclysm proceeded our civilization but

2029
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that is a theory that people have put

2030
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forth I think I'm more likely and more

2031
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plausible approach would be that if

2032
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indeed there were high extremely highly

2033
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a you know covert and sensitive projects

2034
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that were taking place during the

2035
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warrior specifically maybe some that

2036
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were being carried out by the Nazis if

2037
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these technologies were either carried

2038
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out in secret and then moved secretly

2039
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after the war or toward the end of the

2040
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war or if they were captured by the

2041
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Allies and they have been utilized in

2042
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:49,340
black budget programs and black ops

2043
01:23:53,049 --> 01:23:50,960
programs and things that have maintained

2044
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a level of secrecy over the last several

2045
01:23:57,129 --> 01:23:54,679
decades following the Second World War

2046
01:23:59,770 --> 01:23:57,139
to me if there is a component that is

2047
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indeed a an aspect of human civilization

2048
01:24:04,299 --> 01:24:01,699
that exists and even operates apart from

2049
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what we know as civilization and

2050
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technology today on planet Earth that

2051
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seems more plausible to me and which it

2052
01:24:11,500 --> 01:24:10,250
essentially entails the same concept

2053
01:24:13,450 --> 01:24:11,510
that there could be an advanced

2054
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technology that could literally exist

2055
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here on earth but that could operate so

2056
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apart from what most of us know on a

2057
01:24:20,740 --> 01:24:19,010
conventional level that we perceive it

2058
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:20,750
as being something alien or exotic it

2059
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:23,090
certainly would be exotic to most people

2060
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:25,130
and to me I think that that's something

2061
01:24:29,770 --> 01:24:28,250
that has to be taken seriously with with

2062
01:24:31,359 --> 01:24:29,780
considerations of what the UFO

2063
01:24:32,919 --> 01:24:31,369
phenomenon may be because we have to

2064
01:24:35,740 --> 01:24:32,929
acknowledge there being some sort of a

2065
01:24:37,060 --> 01:24:35,750
physical presence to this I don't know

2066
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:37,070
that it's aliens I'm not saying it's

2067
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:40,250
aliens but I think there are UFOs and so

2068
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:42,050
that breakaway civilization component is

2069
01:24:45,580 --> 01:24:43,610
something that really should probably

2070
01:24:48,189 --> 01:24:45,590
get a lot more attention I'm kind of

2071
01:24:50,589 --> 01:24:48,199
amazed that more people gravitate toward

2072
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:50,599
the alien theory when again there seems

2073
01:24:53,290 --> 01:24:52,130
to be a lot of plausible evidence that

2074
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:53,300
points to there being terrestrial

2075
01:24:56,709 --> 01:24:54,800
technologies that have been kept highly

2076
01:24:59,109 --> 01:24:56,719
covert for the last several decades but

2077
01:25:02,109 --> 01:24:59,119
you know that theory tends to be given

2078
01:25:04,660 --> 01:25:02,119
less credence and the possibility that

2079
01:25:07,330 --> 01:25:04,670
et lives you know 100 light years away

2080
01:25:11,169 --> 01:25:07,340
that they live in our own backyard in

2081
01:25:14,589 --> 01:25:11,179
caves you know in the caverns underneath

2082
01:25:16,149 --> 01:25:14,599
the earth or within the Hollow Earth if

2083
01:25:17,890 --> 01:25:16,159
we want to get to that theory and Ray

2084
01:25:20,740 --> 01:25:17,900
Palmer by the way to mention him again

2085
01:25:22,209 --> 01:25:20,750
had a theory about the Hollow Earth once

2086
01:25:25,899 --> 01:25:22,219
upon a time but that goes back to even

2087
01:25:28,060 --> 01:25:25,909
the early works of fact writers and

2088
01:25:29,890 --> 01:25:28,070
fiction writers such as Edgar Rice

2089
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:29,900
Burroughs or absolute

2090
01:25:33,879 --> 01:25:31,760
and again I think kind of time this in

2091
01:25:36,250 --> 01:25:33,889
with with where Scottie comes from this

2092
01:25:38,740 --> 01:25:36,260
and his perspectives what we often see

2093
01:25:40,810 --> 01:25:38,750
is that there's a mythological component

2094
01:25:44,140 --> 01:25:40,820
to a lot of it and we see that I think

2095
01:25:46,209 --> 01:25:44,150
very much in the modern sense UFO

2096
01:25:47,770 --> 01:25:46,219
phenomenon has been directly influenced

2097
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:47,780
by science fiction and fiction

2098
01:25:52,810 --> 01:25:50,570
literature and I think that in the same

2099
01:25:54,399 --> 01:25:52,820
way people can look at ancient mysteries

2100
01:25:56,530 --> 01:25:54,409
and they can look at the mythic

2101
01:25:58,209 --> 01:25:56,540
traditions of ancient cultures Scottie I

2102
01:25:59,740 --> 01:25:58,219
wanted I want you to actually elaborate

2103
01:26:02,410 --> 01:25:59,750
on this but I'll just Saul right I'll

2104
01:26:04,839 --> 01:26:02,420
stop it saying that mythic traditions I

2105
01:26:07,359 --> 01:26:04,849
think are obviously mythological they

2106
01:26:10,209 --> 01:26:07,369
may have some basis and some root in

2107
01:26:12,339 --> 01:26:10,219
fact but that I think that what we

2108
01:26:13,359 --> 01:26:12,349
perceive as being the truth about the

2109
01:26:15,129 --> 01:26:13,369
ancient world you know the ancient

2110
01:26:16,899 --> 01:26:15,139
astronaut theory and all this they're

2111
01:26:19,180 --> 01:26:16,909
directly influenced by mythology just

2112
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:19,190
like our modern UFO phenomena at times

2113
01:26:23,109 --> 01:26:20,480
not to say there isn't a real phenomenon

2114
01:26:26,169 --> 01:26:23,119
but it is definitely influenced by the

2115
01:26:28,300 --> 01:26:26,179
fiction of the day well a good case in

2116
01:26:31,899 --> 01:26:28,310
point in more modern history if you will

2117
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:31,909
world war two look at the mythology if

2118
01:26:36,399 --> 01:26:34,489
you will the science fiction the

2119
01:26:38,740 --> 01:26:36,409
fictional writing that has risen up

2120
01:26:41,890 --> 01:26:38,750
around some of the nutty stuff that

2121
01:26:43,359 --> 01:26:41,900
Adolf Hitler did and looked for you were

2122
01:26:46,569 --> 01:26:43,369
talking about the Hollow Earth a minute

2123
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:46,579
ago think of bulwer-lytton

2124
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:49,520
back in the 1870s wrote what is

2125
01:26:53,890 --> 01:26:50,690
considered to be the first science

2126
01:26:55,660 --> 01:26:53,900
fiction novel and it was on I can't

2127
01:26:58,180 --> 01:26:55,670
remember the title but they this

2128
01:26:59,950 --> 01:26:58,190
underground civilization like an

2129
01:27:01,990 --> 01:26:59,960
Atlantis type of civilization only

2130
01:27:05,109 --> 01:27:02,000
underground discovered by a couple of

2131
01:27:08,350 --> 01:27:05,119
hikers who went down in palanca in caves

2132
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:08,360
and their whole culture operated off of

2133
01:27:13,569 --> 01:27:11,090
an energy source called Vril and this

2134
01:27:16,990 --> 01:27:13,579
was an angelic source a a some kind of

2135
01:27:20,350 --> 01:27:17,000
miraculous a substance and what did

2136
01:27:22,030 --> 01:27:20,360
Hitler up and go do during the the years

2137
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:22,040
just prior to world war two they went

2138
01:27:25,780 --> 01:27:23,810
looking for the stuff and they sent

2139
01:27:28,030 --> 01:27:25,790
expeditions out down to the South Pole

2140
01:27:30,669 --> 01:27:28,040
looking for the entrance to the

2141
01:27:32,620 --> 01:27:30,679
underworld looking for Vril just take

2142
01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:32,630
that fact alone and look at the

2143
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:34,639
mythology that's risen up around the

2144
01:27:39,129 --> 01:27:36,530
Third Reich and the Third Reich's

2145
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interest in the occult and in all these

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different types that look at all the

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stories that have risen out of all the

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movies

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everything you can think of now that is

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a good example of what happened in

2151
01:27:52,430 --> 01:27:50,010
ancient culture where we didn't have

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01:27:54,620 --> 01:27:52,440
mass media like we have today and

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01:27:57,410 --> 01:27:54,630
developing mass media over the last 70

2154
01:27:59,330 --> 01:27:57,420
years but what they did have was they

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had that word of mouth that oral

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tradition that would pass on tradition

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from one set of people to another it

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wouldn't even have to necessarily be

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different cultures

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it could be just different city states

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different city groups different tribal

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cultures living and then on to of course

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neighboring cultures so the idea that

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all mythology has is at its source point

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some nugget or kernel of truth is I

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01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:24,270
think one of the most one of the most

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superlative little nuggets of

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information that we have or notions that

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we have is that all mythology has its

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source point somewhere in truth and or

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fact but we can't have a team of crack

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investigators find the kernel of truth

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and separate the facts from fiction

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that's the problem

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did Hitler find rill I don't think so so

2176
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we look for these things that we think

2177
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we have really solid now now mica

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address something a very congruent with

2179
01:29:00,770 --> 01:28:58,050
this conversation talking about the very

2180
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real possibility that people have had

2181
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physical visitation what do you do with

2182
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that when you try to link it to the

2183
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mythology does that make the mythology

2184
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does that suddenly expand the mythology

2185
01:29:15,170 --> 01:29:13,680
into a more factual theory does it do

2186
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:15,180
away with the mythology and say it's

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something completely different it's like

2188
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if you had that one little tidbit of

2189
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information that made something so it

2190
01:29:29,420 --> 01:29:26,820
cracks the whole thing wide open it I

2191
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:29,430
have to use a biblical example again

2192
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this may my old training of course but

2193
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my schooling and education but for four

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01:29:40,970 --> 01:29:38,670
centuries it was thought that Jesus was

2195
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a myth the events around him were

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mythological or legendary whichever way

2197
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you want to look at it and the man

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Pontius Pilate the governor the Roman

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governor of Judea was thought to be a

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myth part of the Jesus myth and there

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was because there was no real solid

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evidence that he existed

2203
01:29:59,780 --> 01:29:57,659
there were lots of documents out there

2204
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was nothing officially Roman and it

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wasn't until 1964 in Caesarea Philippi

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on the North Shore of the Sea of Galilee

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where the Roman procurator had his seat

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of government in Judea in the first

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century that they found a gymnasium

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dating back to the 1st century to AD and

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a cornerstone that that read prefect as

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gymnasium to Tiberius Caesar

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they probably know that revealing it on

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mass murders of preparing for war it's

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something much darker go watch the video

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conspiracy calm hey everybody Jason

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Jason Lewis team.com now how would you

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like an energy drink that's actually

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good for you that's right one that not

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only gives you an afternoon pick-me-up

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but that's loaded with the most

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important

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from stress it's called pollen bursts

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and it's a natural burst of energy that

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lasts for hours now most energy drinks

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rely on a massive dose of caffeine sugar

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or even vitamin B pollen burst takes a

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more balanced approach and that's why I

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like it I also love the fact that pollen

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burst has plenty of vitamin D and green

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tea extract this is the best energy

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drink I've ever tried so trust me you'll

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not only like it better than the others

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you'll love the way it's individually

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packaged for freshness as well they've

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got these on the go stick packs they're

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great pollen burst it's available at

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or simply called 185 five 310 team for a

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hello this is rosemary ellen guiley and

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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standard a paranormal radio

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okay we now have Chris has now become a

2318
01:35:25,570 --> 01:35:23,540
crypto terrestrial that's his crypto

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01:35:27,729 --> 01:35:25,580
terrestrial voice that he's been

2320
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perfecting for many months you know if

2321
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you're so busy writing 24/7 a book on

2322
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cattle mutilations you got to feel

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mutilated right Chris well it's

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thousands of pounds of potential

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01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:41,330
physical evidence so you know I I don't

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01:35:46,450 --> 01:35:43,520
think we should discount the subject I

2327
01:35:49,330 --> 01:35:46,460
think it's very important mates I into

2328
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:49,340
the ancient practice of animal sacrifice

2329
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:53,090
which is one of the the threads of

2330
01:35:58,180 --> 01:35:55,730
inquiry and research that I I really

2331
01:36:00,010 --> 01:35:58,190
dive into in this book that there could

2332
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:00,020
possibly be connection all the way back

2333
01:36:04,060 --> 01:36:01,690
you know thousands of years to

2334
01:36:05,620 --> 01:36:04,070
sacrificing animals to the gods let's

2335
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:05,630
get back to our discussion with Scott

2336
01:36:11,140 --> 01:36:08,810
and with Micah guys the thing that we

2337
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:11,150
had covered towards the beginning here

2338
01:36:15,910 --> 01:36:13,850
let's kind of move on from there and

2339
01:36:19,570 --> 01:36:15,920
that is all right

2340
01:36:22,090 --> 01:36:19,580
if et really visited us or if there was

2341
01:36:24,129 --> 01:36:22,100
a breakaway civilization and we get back

2342
01:36:25,209 --> 01:36:24,139
to the story how do we find proof I

2343
01:36:28,060 --> 01:36:25,219
would think if there's another

2344
01:36:31,209 --> 01:36:28,070
civilization here how could they hide

2345
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:31,219
themselves from us well there are a

2346
01:36:34,090 --> 01:36:32,810
number of ways though that could happen

2347
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:34,100
I mean in truth we have to take into

2348
01:36:38,140 --> 01:36:36,290
consideration now I often point this out

2349
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:38,150
again when it comes to modern

2350
01:36:41,530 --> 01:36:39,679
present-day let's even take it outside

2351
01:36:42,850 --> 01:36:41,540
ufology and let's look at the search for

2352
01:36:44,890 --> 01:36:42,860
extraterrestrial life

2353
01:36:47,500 --> 01:36:44,900
now we're intelligence if we want to you

2354
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:47,510
know evoke SETI a lot of ufologists a

2355
01:36:52,540 --> 01:36:49,449
lot of scientists outside ufology are

2356
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:52,550
critical of SETI and rightly so and

2357
01:36:55,899 --> 01:36:54,530
that's all kind of an old argument but I

2358
01:36:57,340 --> 01:36:55,909
think that the point is is that very

2359
01:36:59,709 --> 01:36:57,350
simply we can say when we're looking for

2360
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aliens most scientists today are not

2361
01:37:03,189 --> 01:37:00,980
looking for aliens they're looking for

2362
01:37:06,010 --> 01:37:03,199
humans because we're looking for aliens

2363
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:06,020
that will can literally cave to all the

2364
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:09,530
typical associations we make with life

2365
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:11,690
based on or I should say more

2366
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:13,730
specifically intelligent life based on

2367
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:16,010
what we know humans to be and so we look

2368
01:37:18,609 --> 01:37:17,330
for aliens that are going to operate

2369
01:37:20,770 --> 01:37:18,619
similar to humans that are gonna have

2370
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similar values a similar mode of

2371
01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:22,310
intelligence or maybe even let's take it

2372
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:23,840
outside that and say a similar mode of

2373
01:37:28,390 --> 01:37:25,610
consciousness what are how are we to

2374
01:37:29,020 --> 01:37:28,400
know that intelligence elsewhere in the

2375
01:37:30,940 --> 01:37:29,030
universe

2376
01:37:33,340 --> 01:37:30,950
we'll even take on a what we would

2377
01:37:34,900 --> 01:37:33,350
recognize as being a physical form how

2378
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:34,910
do we know that consciousness is is

2379
01:37:39,940 --> 01:37:37,130
always the same and that it always

2380
01:37:42,490 --> 01:37:39,950
manifests in the exact same ways on a

2381
01:37:44,860 --> 01:37:42,500
universal scale I think that if it comes

2382
01:37:46,750 --> 01:37:44,870
to recognizing and intelligence in our

2383
01:37:48,430 --> 01:37:46,760
midst we have to be aware of the fact

2384
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:48,440
that there may be other kinds and other

2385
01:37:52,570 --> 01:37:50,210
modes of intelligence maybe that on an

2386
01:37:54,010 --> 01:37:52,580
evolutionary scale humankind has not yet

2387
01:37:55,930 --> 01:37:54,020
evolved to a point of being able to

2388
01:37:57,880 --> 01:37:55,940
recognize as being intelligence they

2389
01:37:59,080 --> 01:37:57,890
could well exceed our capabilities and

2390
01:38:01,150 --> 01:37:59,090
they could be right in our midst and we

2391
01:38:03,220 --> 01:38:01,160
wouldn't even recognize them that is

2392
01:38:06,220 --> 01:38:03,230
speculative you know but you raise a

2393
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:06,230
point there and it was considered in a

2394
01:38:10,660 --> 01:38:08,330
sci-fi film contact base in the Carl

2395
01:38:13,390 --> 01:38:10,670
Sagan novel where Jodie Foster plays

2396
01:38:16,410 --> 01:38:13,400
this young astronomer who meets up with

2397
01:38:18,970 --> 01:38:16,420
et but each he says to her I'm coming

2398
01:38:21,820 --> 01:38:18,980
here in the form of your late father

2399
01:38:23,380 --> 01:38:21,830
because you could not accept the way I

2400
01:38:25,870 --> 01:38:23,390
really look and then we have to look at

2401
01:38:29,350 --> 01:38:25,880
the limitations of our search for

2402
01:38:31,690 --> 01:38:29,360
so-called m-type planets planets and

2403
01:38:35,260 --> 01:38:31,700
other solar systems that could Harbor

2404
01:38:38,350 --> 01:38:35,270
life as we know it but we don't always

2405
01:38:40,870 --> 01:38:38,360
consider what about life that is not as

2406
01:38:44,130 --> 01:38:40,880
we know it can we consider that outside

2407
01:38:46,750 --> 01:38:44,140
of Star Trek of course oh yeah or SETI

2408
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:46,760
assuming that the alien civilizations

2409
01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:49,850
out there intelligent civilizations have

2410
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:51,920
radio broadcasts I mean that to me is

2411
01:38:58,450 --> 01:38:55,130
there's it's it's so ludicrous to limit

2412
01:39:01,090 --> 01:38:58,460
yourself and your thinking by thinking

2413
01:39:02,860 --> 01:39:01,100
that that particular bandwidth is going

2414
01:39:03,670 --> 01:39:02,870
to be producing any sort of evidence

2415
01:39:05,230 --> 01:39:03,680
yeah

2416
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:05,240
that's of course therefore they're going

2417
01:39:10,180 --> 01:39:07,010
to look at the sacred documents that you

2418
01:39:12,370 --> 01:39:10,190
saw in the film galaxy quest where this

2419
01:39:15,820 --> 01:39:12,380
was kind of a satire of really great

2420
01:39:19,630 --> 01:39:15,830
satire of Star Trek and it was all about

2421
01:39:21,550 --> 01:39:19,640
this TV show that aliens saw and assumed

2422
01:39:24,850 --> 01:39:21,560
this TV show which was kind of a Star

2423
01:39:27,010 --> 01:39:24,860
Trek type of show was really a sacred

2424
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:27,020
document and historical document and

2425
01:39:32,650 --> 01:39:29,840
they based an entire civilization on

2426
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:32,660
this historical document and that was

2427
01:39:35,860 --> 01:39:34,370
the biggest joke of all and I'm sure the

2428
01:39:38,470 --> 01:39:35,870
people who wrote that were smart enough

2429
01:39:39,820 --> 01:39:38,480
to realize this oh certainly you know

2430
01:39:42,239 --> 01:39:39,830
another thing too that that reminds me

2431
01:39:43,589 --> 01:39:42,249
of Jean is the fact that we have

2432
01:39:45,450 --> 01:39:43,599
- I think humans have a natural

2433
01:39:47,549 --> 01:39:45,460
potential to want to think that they

2434
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:47,559
have access to inside information now

2435
01:39:53,459 --> 01:39:50,320
what is interesting is that I often find

2436
01:39:54,660 --> 01:39:53,469
that in UFO circles or if you want to go

2437
01:39:55,859 --> 01:39:54,670
outside that and save and just the

2438
01:39:58,589 --> 01:39:55,869
esoteric and the strange and they're not

2439
01:40:01,109 --> 01:39:58,599
explained research people do tend to

2440
01:40:02,489 --> 01:40:01,119
have colleagues I know I have a number

2441
01:40:03,719 --> 01:40:02,499
of them who won't go on record and say

2442
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:03,729
things but they will tell me things

2443
01:40:06,779 --> 01:40:05,440
academic professors and people who I

2444
01:40:08,069 --> 01:40:06,789
find to be very credible but they

2445
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:08,079
realize they'll lose their tenure if

2446
01:40:11,459 --> 01:40:09,610
they talk publicly about things and so

2447
01:40:12,810 --> 01:40:11,469
they're very forthcoming with me about

2448
01:40:14,129 --> 01:40:12,820
things that they have observed and

2449
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:14,139
information that they may have

2450
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:17,679
iiiiii less often see people who brand

2451
01:40:21,419 --> 01:40:20,170
themselves as skeptical debunkers having

2452
01:40:23,700 --> 01:40:21,429
access to those kind of people they

2453
01:40:25,500 --> 01:40:23,710
don't seem to be as inviting of that

2454
01:40:27,450 --> 01:40:25,510
kind of information and so I would point

2455
01:40:29,250 --> 01:40:27,460
that out for if really but but coming

2456
01:40:31,109 --> 01:40:29,260
around to the idea of people generally

2457
01:40:32,580 --> 01:40:31,119
just kind of wanting to have access to

2458
01:40:34,410 --> 01:40:32,590
information whether or not skeptics were

2459
01:40:36,899 --> 01:40:34,420
quote-unquote researchers or believers

2460
01:40:38,609 --> 01:40:36,909
have a greater degree of access than the

2461
01:40:39,870 --> 01:40:38,619
other I think everybody really kind of

2462
01:40:41,759 --> 01:40:39,880
at the end of the day wants to feel like

2463
01:40:44,459 --> 01:40:41,769
they have something that everyone else

2464
01:40:46,410 --> 01:40:44,469
doesn't have access to and so maybe to

2465
01:40:48,660 --> 01:40:46,420
an extent part of our fascination with

2466
01:40:50,549 --> 01:40:48,670
trying to understand today stems to the

2467
01:40:52,649 --> 01:40:50,559
ancient past and people some very

2468
01:40:54,060 --> 01:40:52,659
credible researchers and not to say that

2469
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:54,070
it's wrong that they do this but they

2470
01:40:57,180 --> 01:40:56,170
may be drawn to the ancient past into

2471
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:57,190
some of the mysteries of the past

2472
01:41:01,589 --> 01:40:58,960
because they feel the mysteries that are

2473
01:41:03,629 --> 01:41:01,599
presented with ancient times point to a

2474
01:41:05,459 --> 01:41:03,639
greater reality that can help us come to

2475
01:41:06,930 --> 01:41:05,469
terms with and resolve issues that we

2476
01:41:08,759 --> 01:41:06,940
see today and they look at that as that

2477
01:41:11,069 --> 01:41:08,769
sounds sort of a source of an

2478
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:11,079
inexplicable inside intelligence that

2479
01:41:14,879 --> 01:41:12,610
most people are gonna completely

2480
01:41:16,049 --> 01:41:14,889
overlook which in truth bears the truth

2481
01:41:17,910 --> 01:41:16,059
and the promise of what we're supposed

2482
01:41:19,709 --> 01:41:17,920
to be able to learn tomorrow I think

2483
01:41:21,569 --> 01:41:19,719
that it really kind of comes around to

2484
01:41:22,979 --> 01:41:21,579
that and that everyone wants to be able

2485
01:41:24,540 --> 01:41:22,989
to have access to something that other

2486
01:41:26,969 --> 01:41:24,550
people aren't paying attention to now

2487
01:41:28,350 --> 01:41:26,979
the question is it is that a good source

2488
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:28,360
of information whether it be from the

2489
01:41:32,819 --> 01:41:30,130
ancient past or as we see with these

2490
01:41:33,870 --> 01:41:32,829
singularity people today they look to

2491
01:41:35,339 --> 01:41:33,880
the future and think that all the

2492
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:35,349
answers are gonna be in 20 years Ray

2493
01:41:38,219 --> 01:41:36,610
Kurzweil and people say we're all gonna

2494
01:41:40,140 --> 01:41:38,229
be you know uploading our brains into

2495
01:41:42,149 --> 01:41:40,150
machines and things like that I don't

2496
01:41:43,919 --> 01:41:42,159
know that that's any more of a valid

2497
01:41:45,359 --> 01:41:43,929
source of information or expectation

2498
01:41:47,370 --> 01:41:45,369
than looking at the ancient past for

2499
01:41:48,779 --> 01:41:47,380
mysteries and resolution for what we're

2500
01:41:50,729 --> 01:41:48,789
dealing with right here and that in the

2501
01:41:53,189 --> 01:41:50,739
here and now we're not going to be

2502
01:41:54,540 --> 01:41:53,199
uploading our brains into machines I'm

2503
01:41:55,319 --> 01:41:54,550
not saying that I'm just saying maybe we

2504
01:41:58,260 --> 01:41:55,329
haven't gotten

2505
01:42:00,899 --> 01:41:58,270
yet or maybe we don't want to get there

2506
01:42:01,979 --> 01:42:00,909
but it's a way to preserve your life you

2507
01:42:03,899 --> 01:42:01,989
know the singularity thing I got to

2508
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:03,909
point this out too and I know last time

2509
01:42:07,799 --> 01:42:05,199
I came on this show I was talking about

2510
01:42:10,890 --> 01:42:07,809
my book the UFO singularity I'm happy to

2511
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:10,900
look at UFO phenomenon parallel with the

2512
01:42:15,890 --> 01:42:13,690
the singularity movement I also will

2513
01:42:18,060 --> 01:42:15,900
acknowledge that I'm very agnostic about

2514
01:42:19,500 --> 01:42:18,070
singularity and furthermore I I'm

2515
01:42:21,450 --> 01:42:19,510
already seeing and maybe you guys have

2516
01:42:23,939 --> 01:42:21,460
noticed this too there is a bit of a

2517
01:42:26,580 --> 01:42:23,949
wish fulfillment aspect to it I see very

2518
01:42:30,209 --> 01:42:26,590
religious kind of overtones beginning to

2519
01:42:31,410 --> 01:42:30,219
appear in the singularity mythos and

2520
01:42:32,609 --> 01:42:31,420
I'll call it a mythos because again

2521
01:42:33,810 --> 01:42:32,619
people are talking about they want to

2522
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:33,820
live forever and this is how we're gonna

2523
01:42:37,260 --> 01:42:35,650
preserve our bodies for all time bring

2524
01:42:38,669 --> 01:42:37,270
the dead back to the living you know

2525
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:38,679
we're gonna make all these you know

2526
01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:40,570
incredible advancements that will solve

2527
01:42:44,100 --> 01:42:42,489
all the problems of hunger and all the

2528
01:42:45,629 --> 01:42:44,110
problems of scarcity that we deal with

2529
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:45,639
economically and otherwise today on

2530
01:42:50,459 --> 01:42:48,639
planet earth I think maybe in the future

2531
01:42:51,660 --> 01:42:50,469
we will utilize technology that does all

2532
01:42:53,580 --> 01:42:51,670
these kinds of things but there is

2533
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:53,590
definitely an almost religious overtone

2534
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:55,690
beginning to appear with singularity and

2535
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:57,280
I'm very cautious of that because again

2536
01:43:01,350 --> 01:42:59,280
as soon as people start overriding

2537
01:43:03,390 --> 01:43:01,360
intelligence and logic and they start

2538
01:43:05,129 --> 01:43:03,400
literally holding on to belief and

2539
01:43:06,569 --> 01:43:05,139
presumption that that can become a

2540
01:43:09,569 --> 01:43:06,579
little scary I'm beginning to see some

2541
01:43:13,530 --> 01:43:09,579
of that in the singularity circles Scott

2542
01:43:14,879 --> 01:43:13,540
yeah about this I do and I was waiting

2543
01:43:16,500 --> 01:43:14,889
to see if somebody else was gonna jump

2544
01:43:18,510 --> 01:43:16,510
in there about the singularity I don't

2545
01:43:21,419 --> 01:43:18,520
speak to the singularity as well as my

2546
01:43:23,490 --> 01:43:21,429
kid does I actually sit at his feet and

2547
01:43:28,589 --> 01:43:23,500
absorb what he has to say about that

2548
01:43:30,569 --> 01:43:28,599
but my my take on this is one of whether

2549
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:30,579
or not and Mike and I have talked about

2550
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:33,489
this many times and that is this this

2551
01:43:38,490 --> 01:43:36,130
idea of being skeptical versus being not

2552
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:38,500
skeptical being religious or faithful

2553
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:41,770
versus being scientific or or agnostic

2554
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:44,320
as Micah said there is there's an

2555
01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:46,090
approach you sometimes have to take

2556
01:43:51,089 --> 01:43:48,639
where you have to say I have to be

2557
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:51,099
agnostic in this I have to remove myself

2558
01:43:58,020 --> 01:43:55,199
from the box in order to view it as

2559
01:44:01,770 --> 01:43:58,030
objectively as possible without tainting

2560
01:44:06,030 --> 01:44:01,780
it with what my particular viewpoint or

2561
01:44:08,669 --> 01:44:06,040
belief might be I like to say to me

2562
01:44:08,939 --> 01:44:08,679
skepticism with a cat there's two

2563
01:44:10,859 --> 01:44:08,949
different

2564
01:44:12,660 --> 01:44:10,869
kinds of skeptics and and Micah don't

2565
01:44:15,660 --> 01:44:12,670
roll your eyes we talk about this so

2566
01:44:17,459 --> 01:44:15,670
much but I believe there's two different

2567
01:44:20,729 --> 01:44:17,469
types of skeptics there's the big a

2568
01:44:24,180 --> 01:44:20,739
skeptic in the little a skeptic and the

2569
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:24,190
big s capital s skeptic is the skeptic

2570
01:44:30,660 --> 01:44:27,610
who is out there that is really to me

2571
01:44:33,509 --> 01:44:30,670
more of a cynic than anything it's it's

2572
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:33,519
I cannot accept that the the answer for

2573
01:44:39,540 --> 01:44:36,610
everything is no it isn't no it doesn't

2574
01:44:43,199 --> 01:44:39,550
and to me that's not skepticism that's

2575
01:44:45,449 --> 01:44:43,209
denialism that's that's cynicism the

2576
01:44:48,810 --> 01:44:45,459
small s skeptic on the other hand is the

2577
01:44:51,209 --> 01:44:48,820
skeptic that will say I don't know that

2578
01:44:54,810 --> 01:44:51,219
that is true I have to approach this

2579
01:44:57,149 --> 01:44:54,820
from an agnostic position and I would if

2580
01:44:59,160 --> 01:44:57,159
I cannot join you on trying to prove the

2581
01:45:01,680 --> 01:44:59,170
facts here perhaps you can show me the

2582
01:45:04,199 --> 01:45:01,690
evidence of that I want to know it's

2583
01:45:07,020 --> 01:45:04,209
almost like the sorry to use the the pop

2584
01:45:10,109 --> 01:45:07,030
culture or reference the the Fox Mulder

2585
01:45:11,969 --> 01:45:10,119
poster I want to believe there's a

2586
01:45:14,850 --> 01:45:11,979
certain aspect in all of this I want to

2587
01:45:17,219 --> 01:45:14,860
believe these things or so we've got

2588
01:45:20,810 --> 01:45:17,229
Scotty Roberts and Micah Hanks with gene

2589
01:45:26,470 --> 01:45:20,820
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01:48:05,230 --> 01:48:04,940
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01:48:07,900 --> 01:48:05,240
anymore

2640
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:07,910
we have Myka Hanks and Scotty Roberts I

2641
01:48:12,970 --> 01:48:11,570
want to believe you do I don't know if I

2642
01:48:13,660 --> 01:48:12,980
want to believe I just want to know what

2643
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:13,670
the truth is

2644
01:48:20,590 --> 01:48:18,170
no you don't I don't know no it's not I

2645
01:48:23,650 --> 01:48:20,600
like that Scotty that's a really an

2646
01:48:26,740 --> 01:48:23,660
excellent excellent definition big ass

2647
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:26,750
versus smallest skeptic it's it's

2648
01:48:30,670 --> 01:48:28,610
wonderful we have some posters that

2649
01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:30,680
Peres casts that fall into those

2650
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:34,490
categories you do yes

2651
01:48:38,890 --> 01:48:36,800
that's been my experience and sorry

2652
01:48:42,310 --> 01:48:38,900
Micah that's that's just been my

2653
01:48:44,710 --> 01:48:42,320
experience when I see skepticism at play

2654
01:48:47,890 --> 01:48:44,720
and by the way the same sceptics that

2655
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:47,900
will denounce guys like you Chris and

2656
01:48:51,460 --> 01:48:49,730
Micah and everybody here that that's

2657
01:48:53,650 --> 01:48:51,470
that's written books and put out books

2658
01:48:56,170 --> 01:48:53,660
oh you're just doing that to make money

2659
01:48:59,440 --> 01:48:56,180
off of an idea by duping people with

2660
01:49:01,360 --> 01:48:59,450
false information how however you have

2661
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:01,370
that this this you don't see much

2662
01:49:05,290 --> 01:49:03,050
different from the skeptical son either

2663
01:49:07,690 --> 01:49:05,300
do you they throw their conferences and

2664
01:49:10,300 --> 01:49:07,700
write their books and all break their

2665
01:49:13,420 --> 01:49:10,310
dough and I I happen to see Michael

2666
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:13,430
Shermer on a Larry King an older

2667
01:49:17,110 --> 01:49:14,930
recording where they had I think they

2668
01:49:19,780 --> 01:49:17,120
had some of the Apollo astronauts and

2669
01:49:21,430 --> 01:49:19,790
some a bunch of other paranormal guys on

2670
01:49:24,130 --> 01:49:21,440
there there's like 12 guys in the show

2671
01:49:25,630 --> 01:49:24,140
and and that was where I said this is

2672
01:49:28,480 --> 01:49:25,640
where the biggest and smallest skeptic

2673
01:49:31,630 --> 01:49:28,490
came from because I watched Michael

2674
01:49:33,670 --> 01:49:31,640
Shermer on that show and he didn't say

2675
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:33,680
much of substance to anything his

2676
01:49:39,100 --> 01:49:36,080
response was always uh he'd lean into

2677
01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:39,110
his mic it's a no it isn't and that was

2678
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:42,170
about it and to me that is not a cogent

2679
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:44,930
answer to any question of anything that

2680
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:47,090
might have there's some kind of esoteric

2681
01:49:50,710 --> 01:49:49,370
quality to it I think what that also

2682
01:49:52,570 --> 01:49:50,720
begins to show is that there is very

2683
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:52,580
much an ideological component to

2684
01:49:56,620 --> 01:49:54,410
skepticism you know and there are a lot

2685
01:49:58,180 --> 01:49:56,630
of skeptical riders that I readin that I

2686
01:49:59,319 --> 01:49:58,190
follow one of them is Sharon Hill and

2687
01:50:01,239 --> 01:49:59,329
she'd written the other day

2688
01:50:04,979 --> 01:50:01,249
a critique where she said but paranormal

2689
01:50:08,139 --> 01:50:04,989
believers tend less to go and read

2690
01:50:09,549 --> 01:50:08,149
skeptical reviews of phenomena that you

2691
01:50:11,349 --> 01:50:09,559
know people who follow the unexplained

2692
01:50:13,239 --> 01:50:11,359
would go and read they may go read if

2693
01:50:14,589 --> 01:50:13,249
their favorite paranormal website about

2694
01:50:16,419 --> 01:50:14,599
something we're in their favorite book

2695
01:50:17,349 --> 01:50:16,429
by their favorite paranormal author but

2696
01:50:19,299 --> 01:50:17,359
they're not gonna go and look at a

2697
01:50:19,869 --> 01:50:19,309
skeptical perspective of that well quite

2698
01:50:22,389 --> 01:50:19,879
the contrary

2699
01:50:23,589 --> 01:50:22,399
I do I read it from both sides and as a

2700
01:50:24,909 --> 01:50:23,599
matter of fact I'm holding in my hands

2701
01:50:27,399 --> 01:50:24,919
right now a copy of the skeptics

2702
01:50:29,709 --> 01:50:27,409
dictionary by Robert Todd Carol I bought

2703
01:50:31,299 --> 01:50:29,719
this book because I try to do what maybe

2704
01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:31,309
a lot of other researchers don't and I

2705
01:50:35,889 --> 01:50:33,199
do try and take it from both sides and

2706
01:50:38,529 --> 01:50:35,899
what I find mr. Carol has to say about

2707
01:50:40,509 --> 01:50:38,539
UFOs I could not disagree with more

2708
01:50:41,889 --> 01:50:40,519
because I think that fundamentally what

2709
01:50:44,139 --> 01:50:41,899
we see is that when a person is trying

2710
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:44,149
to create a and I just use UFOs as an

2711
01:50:48,609 --> 01:50:46,010
example but when they try to create a

2712
01:50:50,500 --> 01:50:48,619
logical argument against something but

2713
01:50:51,729 --> 01:50:50,510
they are predisposed toward disbelief

2714
01:50:54,459 --> 01:50:51,739
you will see that they will interpret

2715
01:50:56,020 --> 01:50:54,469
information in a way that differs from

2716
01:50:58,119 --> 01:50:56,030
maybe what the facts are actually

2717
01:50:59,469 --> 01:50:58,129
putting forth for instance what mr.

2718
01:51:01,509 --> 01:50:59,479
Carroll says in his book and on his

2719
01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:01,519
website which I believe is skeptic dot

2720
01:51:08,949 --> 01:51:05,449
org or dot-com but mr. Carroll says that

2721
01:51:10,779 --> 01:51:08,959
UFOs for instance were disproven when

2722
01:51:12,310 --> 01:51:10,789
the Condon committee had already deemed

2723
01:51:13,750 --> 01:51:12,320
and he says for some reason believers

2724
01:51:15,429 --> 01:51:13,760
today can't seem to accept that the

2725
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:15,439
Condon committee and other side a sense

2726
01:51:20,589 --> 01:51:18,169
have said flatly there's no scientific

2727
01:51:22,239 --> 01:51:20,599
merit to the further study of UFOs now

2728
01:51:23,469 --> 01:51:22,249
all that is a true statement

2729
01:51:26,199 --> 01:51:23,479
and of course it's been argued by

2730
01:51:28,479 --> 01:51:26,209
ufologist for years at that point and

2731
01:51:30,369 --> 01:51:28,489
whether that is a fair assessment I

2732
01:51:32,020 --> 01:51:30,379
think that what Carroll does with that

2733
01:51:33,849 --> 01:51:32,030
is he uses that to prop up his argument

2734
01:51:35,679 --> 01:51:33,859
and says see scientific establishments

2735
01:51:38,319 --> 01:51:35,689
have said there's no reason to continue

2736
01:51:39,790 --> 01:51:38,329
studying UFOs he fails to address the

2737
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:39,800
fact that even the Condon committee said

2738
01:51:44,099 --> 01:51:42,050
while there are some UFO reports that

2739
01:51:46,419 --> 01:51:44,109
remain unexplained and furthermore

2740
01:51:48,729 --> 01:51:46,429
taking it completely out of context I

2741
01:51:50,619 --> 01:51:48,739
think as carol has done he misses also

2742
01:51:52,659 --> 01:51:50,629
that the Condon committee was saying

2743
01:51:54,759 --> 01:51:52,669
that while there may be instances where

2744
01:51:58,209 --> 01:51:54,769
there a valid unexplained phenomenon we

2745
01:51:59,739 --> 01:51:58,219
cannot justify essentially wasting

2746
01:52:01,029 --> 01:51:59,749
resources on studying UFOs now I

2747
01:52:02,139 --> 01:52:01,039
disagree with that but nonetheless I

2748
01:52:03,639 --> 01:52:02,149
think that that is what the Condon

2749
01:52:05,589 --> 01:52:03,649
committee had determined and yes they

2750
01:52:07,540 --> 01:52:05,599
were obviously dismissive toward the UFO

2751
01:52:10,569 --> 01:52:07,550
subject then of course the Ministry of

2752
01:52:12,339 --> 01:52:10,579
Defense and their UFO FILES essentially

2753
01:52:13,140 --> 01:52:12,349
you know show that there was a similar

2754
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:13,150
determination

2755
01:52:16,350 --> 01:52:14,890
made that well maybe there's something

2756
01:52:18,780 --> 01:52:16,360
going on but we can't keep wasting

2757
01:52:20,220 --> 01:52:18,790
resources and time chasing this

2758
01:52:21,660 --> 01:52:20,230
phenomenon that is always one step ahead

2759
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:21,670
of us and of course there's a tendency

2760
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:23,410
to be skeptical toward most reports but

2761
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:24,970
there is a minority of instances I think

2762
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:26,410
in both cases whether it be Blue Book

2763
01:52:30,630 --> 01:52:27,970
but to be the Ministry of Defense

2764
01:52:32,040 --> 01:52:30,640
research into UFOs where we begin to see

2765
01:52:33,480 --> 01:52:32,050
that yes there were some instances that

2766
01:52:35,370 --> 01:52:33,490
remain unexplained

2767
01:52:37,140 --> 01:52:35,380
we don't see that as proof of anything

2768
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:37,150
maybe in particular but it is

2769
01:52:41,310 --> 01:52:39,370
nonetheless evidence of something when

2770
01:52:43,710 --> 01:52:41,320
we see skeptics using an ideological

2771
01:52:46,470 --> 01:52:43,720
standpoint against UFOs and using those

2772
01:52:48,450 --> 01:52:46,480
kinds of sources as proof that the signs

2773
01:52:50,460 --> 01:52:48,460
of a community renounces all UFO reports

2774
01:52:52,860 --> 01:52:50,470
that's not exactly what's being said and

2775
01:52:55,380 --> 01:52:52,870
it reveals to me that there is a very

2776
01:52:57,150 --> 01:52:55,390
strong ideological component to the

2777
01:52:58,650 --> 01:52:57,160
skeptic versus believer argument and a

2778
01:53:01,560 --> 01:52:58,660
person who wants to believe whether

2779
01:53:03,450 --> 01:53:01,570
disbelief or actual belief well this

2780
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:03,460
despite their position they can make an

2781
01:53:07,950 --> 01:53:06,250
argument to support that position yeah

2782
01:53:09,930 --> 01:53:07,960
and I couldn't agree more Mike I think

2783
01:53:11,970 --> 01:53:09,940
that's a really important point and it's

2784
01:53:14,460 --> 01:53:11,980
one that I've been making for years here

2785
01:53:16,710 --> 01:53:14,470
on the show and that is you can't accept

2786
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:16,720
somebody's opinion at face value you

2787
01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:18,370
have to do your own research you have to

2788
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:20,530
make up your own mind and and become

2789
01:53:25,020 --> 01:53:22,570
educated about the subject when you talk

2790
01:53:27,420 --> 01:53:25,030
about Conda Condon report or in the case

2791
01:53:29,970 --> 01:53:27,430
of the cattle mutilation debunking

2792
01:53:31,620 --> 01:53:29,980
basically the Kenneth rommel report both

2793
01:53:34,230 --> 01:53:31,630
of these men went into their

2794
01:53:35,970 --> 01:53:34,240
investigative process with their minds

2795
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:35,980
made up and they basically made

2796
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:38,530
statements both of them prior to the

2797
01:53:42,510 --> 01:53:40,690
actual studies being conducted that they

2798
01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:42,520
were gonna put an end to all this they

2799
01:53:45,540 --> 01:53:44,080
were gonna find out that this is they

2800
01:53:47,490 --> 01:53:45,550
already obviously had a foregone

2801
01:53:49,770 --> 01:53:47,500
conclusions which they then set about

2802
01:53:51,660 --> 01:53:49,780
putting their best case forward but as

2803
01:53:54,240 --> 01:53:51,670
you I think very insightful II have

2804
01:53:57,060 --> 01:53:54,250
pointed out the skeptics conveniently

2805
01:53:59,730 --> 01:53:57,070
forget and failed to mention are very

2806
01:54:02,340 --> 01:53:59,740
selective in leaving out the fact that

2807
01:54:04,410 --> 01:54:02,350
there is a true mystery that it least

2808
01:54:06,510 --> 01:54:04,420
deserves to be studied maybe maybe

2809
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:06,520
government funding in their eyes isn't

2810
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:08,650
the way to go but I think this this

2811
01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:11,920
selective this selectivity that you see

2812
01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:15,370
in the skeptical community does itself a

2813
01:54:20,580 --> 01:54:18,370
disservice because I think it pushes the

2814
01:54:22,950 --> 01:54:20,590
conversation it polarizes the

2815
01:54:25,620 --> 01:54:22,960
conversation too much I think everyone

2816
01:54:26,490 --> 01:54:25,630
has a an obligation to be skeptical and

2817
01:54:32,790 --> 01:54:26,500
in

2818
01:54:35,460 --> 01:54:32,800
well this makes sense to me you know it

2819
01:54:37,590 --> 01:54:35,470
rings true to me so therefore it must be

2820
01:54:39,930 --> 01:54:37,600
real and I'll believe it I think we all

2821
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:39,940
owe it to ourselves to become as up to

2822
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:41,890
speed and and do the research and really

2823
01:54:46,350 --> 01:54:43,810
come up with you know I think an

2824
01:54:48,060 --> 01:54:46,360
intelligent conclusion in our own minds

2825
01:54:50,490 --> 01:54:48,070
instead of just you know lock stock

2826
01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:50,500
belief or lock lock stop disbelief one

2827
01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:52,450
thing here Chris and is going back to

2828
01:54:57,030 --> 01:54:54,370
the years of Project Blue Book the Air

2829
01:55:00,060 --> 01:54:57,040
Force's excuse was well if we had more

2830
01:55:02,130 --> 01:55:00,070
information on those unexplained which

2831
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:02,140
for over 20 percent at the time if we

2832
01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:03,730
had more information we could come to a

2833
01:55:08,490 --> 01:55:05,890
conclusion but they also had a separate

2834
01:55:10,860 --> 01:55:08,500
category for insufficient data so if you

2835
01:55:13,050 --> 01:55:10,870
feel that it's lacking information stick

2836
01:55:15,990 --> 01:55:13,060
it in the other category don't present

2837
01:55:18,180 --> 01:55:16,000
that as an excuse not to investigate no

2838
01:55:19,590 --> 01:55:18,190
yeah absolutely and you know I think

2839
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:19,600
that something else that people often

2840
01:55:23,850 --> 01:55:22,330
overlook today again in relation to UFOs

2841
01:55:25,740 --> 01:55:23,860
is the fact that the other were

2842
01:55:27,870 --> 01:55:25,750
categories back then for things that

2843
01:55:30,570 --> 01:55:27,880
could not be explained now by definition

2844
01:55:32,460 --> 01:55:30,580
an unidentified flying object entails

2845
01:55:34,410 --> 01:55:32,470
something that is an object apparently

2846
01:55:36,210 --> 01:55:34,420
of it may not always be of technological

2847
01:55:37,950 --> 01:55:36,220
origin because we can you know make

2848
01:55:39,540 --> 01:55:37,960
exceptions for things like ball

2849
01:55:41,250 --> 01:55:39,550
lightning another atmospheric phenomena

2850
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:41,260
but a lot of people say well are there

2851
01:55:44,130 --> 01:55:42,850
government organizations that still look

2852
01:55:46,260 --> 01:55:44,140
into that and that they're open about

2853
01:55:48,210 --> 01:55:46,270
that you know I've got a book that is

2854
01:55:51,210 --> 01:55:48,220
just about to come out called the ghost

2855
01:55:52,860 --> 01:55:51,220
rockets in which I mention what is

2856
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:52,870
called the aviation safety reporting

2857
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:54,490
system which is actually maintained it's

2858
01:55:57,150 --> 01:55:55,930
a database maintained online open

2859
01:55:59,100 --> 01:55:57,160
available to the public

2860
01:56:01,890 --> 01:55:59,110
maintained by NASA there's so much

2861
01:56:03,780 --> 01:56:01,900
jargon in a lot of the reports that are

2862
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:03,790
collected what I'd gone into the book or

2863
01:56:08,250 --> 01:56:06,370
into the database looking for along with

2864
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:08,260
an associate of mine was we were trying

2865
01:56:12,270 --> 01:56:10,000
to find reports of what appeared to be

2866
01:56:14,310 --> 01:56:12,280
torpedoes missiles Rockets projectiles

2867
01:56:15,780 --> 01:56:14,320
and things like that we certainly found

2868
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:15,790
a number of them which I detail in the

2869
01:56:19,710 --> 01:56:17,650
book but what's interesting too is that

2870
01:56:21,150 --> 01:56:19,720
with the jargon that's presence in there

2871
01:56:22,230 --> 01:56:21,160
in a lot of the reports and me not being

2872
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:22,240
of course a trained aviation

2873
01:56:26,670 --> 01:56:23,770
professional I decided to go and

2874
01:56:29,940 --> 01:56:26,680
download the key from their website that

2875
01:56:31,770 --> 01:56:29,950
makes the I guess translates if you will

2876
01:56:33,450 --> 01:56:31,780
the various different kinds of terms

2877
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:33,460
designations acronyms and things like

2878
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:35,050
that they're utilized and they're among

2879
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:37,090
the list of different acronyms that are

2880
01:56:40,290 --> 01:56:38,530
utilized in the reports for sake of

2881
01:56:42,810 --> 01:56:40,300
brevity you find UFO

2882
01:56:45,990 --> 01:56:42,820
and the reason why is because pilots do

2883
01:56:47,669 --> 01:56:46,000
see unidentified flying objects and the

2884
01:56:49,830 --> 01:56:47,679
aviation safety reporting system

2885
01:56:51,540 --> 01:56:49,840
actually documents a number of those

2886
01:56:53,520 --> 01:56:51,550
anonymous reports but nonetheless

2887
01:56:55,680 --> 01:56:53,530
reports by experienced pilots where they

2888
01:56:57,419 --> 01:56:55,690
have seen unidentifiable craft some of

2889
01:56:59,339 --> 01:56:57,429
which we mentioned in the book so again

2890
01:57:01,740 --> 01:56:59,349
it's a fascinating thing to me but yes I

2891
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:01,750
think the government still looks for and

2892
01:57:05,790 --> 01:57:03,610
and has to classify certain things as

2893
01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:05,800
unknown because pilots do see things

2894
01:57:08,910 --> 01:57:07,210
that are unknown Bluebook they were

2895
01:57:11,580 --> 01:57:08,920
doing it in and of course NASA if you

2896
01:57:13,709 --> 01:57:11,590
want to consider RS a part of NASA and

2897
01:57:15,240 --> 01:57:13,719
it is they are still doing that to an

2898
01:57:17,339 --> 01:57:15,250
extent today because people see things

2899
01:57:19,169 --> 01:57:17,349
they can't explain we have to explain

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about gold eight hundred 686 twenty to

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thirty seven the book is free eight

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hundred six eight six twenty to thirty

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seven there are those curious about

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bitcoins and those using and making

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dot-com that's cloud hashing calm we

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mind your business

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hi there my name is Frank bass what I'm

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about to tell you in the next 60 seconds

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could get me in a lot of trouble I just

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created a free video presentation at one

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agencies for what they really are

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counting on your ignorance and fear to

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have call it a cover-up and you will be

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shocked to find out how deep the

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conspiracy goes my video at

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one-two-three cover-up calm exposes the

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truth and shows you the secret of how I

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beat them and how you can beat them to

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watch the controversial video that

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already seen in the last three months go

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to 1 2 3 cover-up calm and discover one

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at 1 2 3 cover-up calm before they force

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cover-up calm we'd like to hear from you

2999
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if you have a comment or question about

3000
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the para cast sent it to news at the

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para cast com that's news at the para

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cast calm and don't forget to visit our

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famous para cast community forums at

3004
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forum Delta para cast calm with Jean and

3005
02:02:06,580 --> 02:02:03,710
Chris in the para cast we have Micah

3006
02:02:08,670 --> 02:02:06,590
Hanks and we have Scotty Roberts both

3007
02:02:11,890 --> 02:02:08,680
written some fascinating fascinating

3008
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books so for example while the latest

3009
02:02:17,110 --> 02:02:14,960
titles from Scott Allen Roberts is the

3010
02:02:19,540 --> 02:02:17,120
secret history of the reptilians with

3011
02:02:21,790 --> 02:02:19,550
all sorts of subtitles there and the one

3012
02:02:25,660 --> 02:02:21,800
that Micah has written most recently the

3013
02:02:28,450 --> 02:02:25,670
UFO singularity with again a very very

3014
02:02:31,150 --> 02:02:28,460
long subtitle both are involved in the

3015
02:02:34,450 --> 02:02:31,160
second annual paradigm symposium to be

3016
02:02:35,740 --> 02:02:34,460
held October 2013 I mentioned the year

3017
02:02:39,430 --> 02:02:35,750
in case you're listening to this episode

3018
02:02:41,229 --> 02:02:39,440
a few years hence as they do in the

3019
02:02:43,450 --> 02:02:41,239
Minneapolis st. Paul Minnesota area

3020
02:02:45,430 --> 02:02:43,460
before the real cold weather hits it's

3021
02:02:46,870 --> 02:02:45,440
not gonna happen with 30 below it's

3022
02:02:48,630 --> 02:02:46,880
gonna be in October when the weather is

3023
02:02:51,940 --> 02:02:48,640
pretty much beautiful isn't it guys

3024
02:02:54,310 --> 02:02:51,950
gorgeous up here that is peak fall color

3025
02:02:55,840 --> 02:02:54,320
season up here in fact it was hot last

3026
02:02:57,459 --> 02:02:55,850
year you know Scotty I came up and was

3027
02:02:59,709 --> 02:02:57,469
we were hanging out in Scotty's garage

3028
02:03:01,330 --> 02:02:59,719
doing all the maddening planning you

3029
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:01,340
know calling all the producers all the

3030
02:03:04,810 --> 02:03:02,570
speakers all the different people you

3031
02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:04,820
know booking flights for people and here

3032
02:03:08,410 --> 02:03:06,770
we had hi I had been concerned because

3033
02:03:10,540 --> 02:03:08,420
I've never traveled up north to that

3034
02:03:12,280 --> 02:03:10,550
part of the country before I was

3035
02:03:14,050 --> 02:03:12,290
concerned about the weather being cold

3036
02:03:15,400 --> 02:03:14,060
and it was like summertime out there but

3037
02:03:15,640 --> 02:03:15,410
with this beautiful fall color it was

3038
02:03:17,140 --> 02:03:15,650
that

3039
02:03:21,399 --> 02:03:17,150
beautiful I know it will be again this

3040
02:03:23,590 --> 02:03:21,409
year yeah it'll be amazing God you

3041
02:03:25,689 --> 02:03:23,600
finally and also the Nick Redfern who

3042
02:03:28,270 --> 02:03:25,699
I've never actually met face to face and

3043
02:03:29,740 --> 02:03:28,280
had a chance to pick his brain oh you

3044
02:03:31,810 --> 02:03:29,750
know that's the beauty of a symposium

3045
02:03:34,180 --> 02:03:31,820
like this is that I just had somebody

3046
02:03:36,160 --> 02:03:34,190
asked me just the other day are you

3047
02:03:40,120 --> 02:03:36,170
going to be broadcasting this on skype

3048
02:03:42,160 --> 02:03:40,130
and I said absolutely not I said with

3049
02:03:43,750 --> 02:03:42,170
the technology we have nowadays yeah

3050
02:03:45,580 --> 02:03:43,760
it's great to get a 2-dimensional image

3051
02:03:47,680 --> 02:03:45,590
of somebody and hear them speak and you

3052
02:03:49,930 --> 02:03:47,690
can put it on pause you can go get a

3053
02:03:52,630 --> 02:03:49,940
drink I said there's nothing however

3054
02:03:54,970 --> 02:03:52,640
like and I liken this to sitting at the

3055
02:03:57,850 --> 02:03:54,980
feet of Socrates if you have the

3056
02:04:00,340 --> 02:03:57,860
opportunity to go sit at the feet of a

3057
02:04:02,350 --> 02:04:00,350
great philosopher out of history would

3058
02:04:05,320 --> 02:04:02,360
you choose to go sit at their feet and

3059
02:04:08,200 --> 02:04:05,330
listen or would you choose to watch them

3060
02:04:11,080 --> 02:04:08,210
on YouTube for me it's there's nothing

3061
02:04:13,090 --> 02:04:11,090
like live there's nothing like the face

3062
02:04:14,740 --> 02:04:13,100
to face looking into the eyes hearing

3063
02:04:16,090 --> 02:04:14,750
what they have to say now maybe you

3064
02:04:18,130 --> 02:04:16,100
don't know everybody that's on our

3065
02:04:19,510 --> 02:04:18,140
speaker roster or maybe you're you don't

3066
02:04:21,220 --> 02:04:19,520
want to hear everybody that's on our

3067
02:04:23,380 --> 02:04:21,230
speaker roster you're interested in one

3068
02:04:25,090 --> 02:04:23,390
or two of the speaker's there that

3069
02:04:26,890 --> 02:04:25,100
doesn't matter sitting there beneath

3070
02:04:30,850 --> 02:04:26,900
these people and listening to them speak

3071
02:04:33,700 --> 02:04:30,860
is an M by beneath AI mean figuratively

3072
02:04:35,669 --> 02:04:33,710
not philosophically now you're sitting

3073
02:04:38,470 --> 02:04:35,679
at their feet listening to them talk

3074
02:04:40,510 --> 02:04:38,480
that is the best way to experience this

3075
02:04:42,130 --> 02:04:40,520
kind of thing I would agree with you of

3076
02:04:45,250 --> 02:04:42,140
course there's some people who for many

3077
02:04:48,399 --> 02:04:45,260
reasons just can't attend oh absolutely

3078
02:04:51,850 --> 02:04:48,409
now we're going to be filming this event

3079
02:04:54,490 --> 02:04:51,860
as well and so after the fact there will

3080
02:04:56,620 --> 02:04:54,500
certainly be DVDs that are going to be

3081
02:04:59,680 --> 02:04:56,630
made available you know again that's a

3082
02:05:02,260 --> 02:04:59,690
secondary means to be able to experience

3083
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:02,270
this but if you if you speak with

3084
02:05:06,850 --> 02:05:04,010
anybody was that paradigm symposium last

3085
02:05:11,490 --> 02:05:06,860
year I think what you're going to find

3086
02:05:16,930 --> 02:05:11,500
is is it was the the intensity of

3087
02:05:18,850 --> 02:05:16,940
engaging in like-minded seeking for lack

3088
02:05:21,939 --> 02:05:18,860
of a better way to put that people who

3089
02:05:23,709 --> 02:05:21,949
were there experienced being there with

3090
02:05:25,930 --> 02:05:23,719
others that wanted to learn the same

3091
02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:25,940
things or hear the same things or that

3092
02:05:29,060 --> 02:05:27,920
even had their beliefs challenged to a

3093
02:05:31,100 --> 02:05:29,070
certain point

3094
02:05:33,859 --> 02:05:31,110
we even had some skeptics there we had

3095
02:05:37,250 --> 02:05:33,869
Bob from I can't pronounce his last name

3096
02:05:40,399 --> 02:05:37,260
blaskowitz I think is it yes from the

3097
02:05:43,339 --> 02:05:40,409
the the skeptical Inquirer and he came

3098
02:05:45,140 --> 02:05:43,349
and was sceptical and he has some

3099
02:05:47,569 --> 02:05:45,150
skeptical questions go figure

3100
02:05:49,939 --> 02:05:47,579
but he wants to be back this year he

3101
02:05:51,709 --> 02:05:49,949
thoroughly enjoyed the spirit of people

3102
02:05:53,660 --> 02:05:51,719
there and he said you know what I got a

3103
02:05:56,449 --> 02:05:53,670
different view of the way some of you

3104
02:06:00,560 --> 02:05:56,459
people think and you're not all wacky

3105
02:06:03,500 --> 02:06:00,570
people we have to ask this question guys

3106
02:06:06,649 --> 02:06:03,510
it's gonna be a lot of fun what guys

3107
02:06:08,600 --> 02:06:06,659
what does it cost to attend there's a

3108
02:06:09,919 --> 02:06:08,610
cost okay I was taking a long inhale

3109
02:06:12,410 --> 02:06:09,929
wondering if Mike was gonna jump in

3110
02:06:14,689 --> 02:06:12,420
there and give us an esoteric answer on

3111
02:06:16,250 --> 02:06:14,699
that I love listening to Micah by the

3112
02:06:19,430 --> 02:06:16,260
way don't take you don't make Bitcoin

3113
02:06:22,009 --> 02:06:19,440
then no we don't take Bitcoin we don't

3114
02:06:24,979 --> 02:06:22,019
take raccoons chickens or squirrels and

3115
02:06:26,959 --> 02:06:24,989
trade but the cost right now there's

3116
02:06:28,370 --> 02:06:26,969
three different tiers of tickets we have

3117
02:06:32,060 --> 02:06:28,380
the big the bigger and the biggest

3118
02:06:35,569 --> 02:06:32,070
ticket and the big ticket this gives you

3119
02:06:39,620 --> 02:06:35,579
access to all the lectures that is 249

3120
02:06:42,589 --> 02:06:39,630
for that ticket 249 dollars you have the

3121
02:06:44,600 --> 02:06:42,599
bigger ticket which is includes all of

3122
02:06:47,330 --> 02:06:44,610
the lectures plus it gives you access to

3123
02:06:50,330 --> 02:06:47,340
the banquet dinner which has the dinner

3124
02:06:52,279 --> 02:06:50,340
theater style VIP panel discussion where

3125
02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:52,289
we have all the VIP speakers there on a

3126
02:06:59,569 --> 02:06:55,920
panel at the end of dinner that is 339

3127
02:07:02,089 --> 02:06:59,579
and then you have the biggest ticket

3128
02:07:05,330 --> 02:07:02,099
which has everything I've just mentioned

3129
02:07:08,600 --> 02:07:05,340
plus you also get access to it's the

3130
02:07:11,899 --> 02:07:08,610
private VIP cocktail party on Friday

3131
02:07:13,790 --> 02:07:11,909
night where you get to come in and rub

3132
02:07:15,680 --> 02:07:13,800
shoulders personally with these speakers

3133
02:07:17,060 --> 02:07:15,690
you'll get to see them throughout the

3134
02:07:18,830 --> 02:07:17,070
event but you won't have the chance to

3135
02:07:21,529 --> 02:07:18,840
sit down with them and talk to me share

3136
02:07:23,390 --> 02:07:21,539
a drink with them really quiz them up

3137
02:07:26,239 --> 02:07:23,400
close and personal and ask them your

3138
02:07:28,279 --> 02:07:26,249
questions this is its we say private

3139
02:07:31,100 --> 02:07:28,289
it's semi-private in that there's more

3140
02:07:33,739 --> 02:07:31,110
than two people there so it's a

3141
02:07:35,390 --> 02:07:33,749
semi-private affair and there's a very

3142
02:07:37,819 --> 02:07:35,400
limited number of the biggest ticket

3143
02:07:39,290 --> 02:07:37,829
left I think at this point we have a

3144
02:07:40,759 --> 02:07:39,300
little more than a dozen of those

3145
02:07:43,279 --> 02:07:40,769
tickets left

3146
02:07:45,889 --> 02:07:43,289
to attend that particular facet of the

3147
02:07:47,989 --> 02:07:45,899
symposium nice thing I assume is very

3148
02:07:51,739 --> 02:07:47,999
much in line what you spend for a

3149
02:07:54,739 --> 02:07:51,749
weekend at Disneyland these days sure

3150
02:07:56,059 --> 02:07:54,749
this is this is four days you're going

3151
02:07:57,859 --> 02:07:56,069
to be coming in Wednesday night or

3152
02:07:59,599 --> 02:07:57,869
Thursday morning the event starts so

3153
02:08:02,989 --> 02:07:59,609
with registration on Thursday morning

3154
02:08:05,659 --> 02:08:02,999
the 17th runs all the way to 2 between 4

3155
02:08:08,359 --> 02:08:05,669
& 5 o'clock on Sunday afternoon so

3156
02:08:11,839 --> 02:08:08,369
you're looking at four jam-packed days

3157
02:08:15,439 --> 02:08:11,849
filled with speakers we have 18 speakers

3158
02:08:17,869 --> 02:08:15,449
in total and those 18 speakers also will

3159
02:08:20,209 --> 02:08:17,879
have their tables there you're gonna

3160
02:08:21,469 --> 02:08:20,219
have vendors there as is the norm with a

3161
02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:21,479
lot of these kinds of events there's

3162
02:08:25,729 --> 02:08:23,010
going to be a lot to do right in a very

3163
02:08:28,489 --> 02:08:25,739
compact space and we have to tell you it

3164
02:08:30,289 --> 02:08:28,499
does not come cheap to make up one of

3165
02:08:32,209 --> 02:08:30,299
these events it costs an arm a leg and a

3166
02:08:34,279 --> 02:08:32,219
foot to pay the eighteen people they're

3167
02:08:35,659 --> 02:08:34,289
not coming down they're just for the

3168
02:08:37,699 --> 02:08:35,669
heck of it that you got to pay them the

3169
02:08:40,159 --> 02:08:37,709
airplane fare give them the hotel rooms

3170
02:08:42,529 --> 02:08:40,169
give them some sort of honorarium you've

3171
02:08:44,689 --> 02:08:42,539
got a rent four rooms it's a big thing

3172
02:08:47,299 --> 02:08:44,699
it's a big undertaking in fact Chris and

3173
02:08:50,809 --> 02:08:47,309
I have offhanded talked about a possible

3174
02:08:52,609 --> 02:08:50,819
para cast conference but you know I'm

3175
02:08:55,219 --> 02:08:52,619
half interested in half night I'm

3176
02:08:57,500 --> 02:08:55,229
interested it would be a lot of fun but

3177
02:08:58,279 --> 02:08:57,510
we'd have to make a huge investment to

3178
02:09:00,979 --> 02:08:58,289
make it happen

3179
02:09:02,569 --> 02:09:00,989
I will tell you last year or two almost

3180
02:09:04,339 --> 02:09:02,579
two years ago when Micah and I started

3181
02:09:06,979 --> 02:09:04,349
talking about this together

3182
02:09:09,169 --> 02:09:06,989
on the phone and I said you know we

3183
02:09:10,339 --> 02:09:09,179
should do this this event and this is

3184
02:09:11,839 --> 02:09:10,349
what we should do in the kind of

3185
02:09:14,329 --> 02:09:11,849
speakers we should have the kind of

3186
02:09:16,129 --> 02:09:14,339
atmosphere we wanted to have and it was

3187
02:09:17,269 --> 02:09:16,139
really more from me I think Mike is a

3188
02:09:19,609 --> 02:09:17,279
little smarter than me

3189
02:09:21,500 --> 02:09:19,619
so he probably just chuckled at me but I

3190
02:09:24,019 --> 02:09:21,510
made the statement I said how hard could

3191
02:09:26,029 --> 02:09:24,029
it be I said we just invite speakers we

3192
02:09:29,179 --> 02:09:26,039
could hotel and we throw an event and

3193
02:09:31,729 --> 02:09:29,189
sell tickets and you're absolutely right

3194
02:09:33,919 --> 02:09:31,739
I make no bones about the fact that it

3195
02:09:36,619 --> 02:09:33,929
that it costs money to come here because

3196
02:09:39,019 --> 02:09:36,629
it costs money to make it's like

3197
02:09:42,109 --> 02:09:39,029
anything out there if you publish a book

3198
02:09:44,449 --> 02:09:42,119
with a publisher they are going to

3199
02:09:47,419 --> 02:09:44,459
charge money for that book so they can

3200
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Scott Roberts and Micah Hanks with Tina

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and Chris and the para cast is because I

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think some people begrudge people from

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making a living and doing research you

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know how can they possibly charge for

3323
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this well sorry you know here's the deal

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you want people to work for free do you

3325
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work free or do you expect to be fairly

3326
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compensated for your work now it's not

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the same thing as lying to make money

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and of course we don't want that kind of

3329
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thing happening you don't have people

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who will make up stories not just

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deliberately calling it fiction but make

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up stories claim it's factual hoping to

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be rich and famous it is doing good work

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attending these sessions and it's a lot

3335
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of time to prepare for one of these

3336
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conferences and not expecting a little

3337
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bit of money out of it absolutely you

3338
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know at least a break-even you know I

3339
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along those lines I mean a lot of us and

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I can't speak for everyone in the field

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but I know quite a number of us we're

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not in this to make money we're in this

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to educate people and just out of a

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sense of curiosity I think of you know

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humans are inherently curious and some

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of us are motivated to really act upon

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that curiosity and then share the

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results of our of our research in our

3349
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process and you know for the first seven

3350
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years that I was involved from 93

3351
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through 2000 I had so many requests for

3352
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information prior to you know the

3353
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internet that I ended up publishing a

3354
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month

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report did I sent out free to other

3356
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researchers who are interested in enough

3357
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to in my work to contact me and ask

3358
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what's going on and at the end of seven

3359
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years it just got you know it got

3360
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ridiculous the printing costs and

3361
02:16:43,959 --> 02:16:41,929
postage and everything that that I just

3362
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decided instead of charging people uh

3363
02:16:48,400 --> 02:16:46,519
for the information I would just stop

3364
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doing it in in write a second book

3365
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basically so you know if the motivation

3366
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is pure and the means correct I mean

3367
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these things do fly and I'm I really I

3368
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must say I really like your guys's

3369
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vision for the paradigm symposium I

3370
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really think it's uh it's a very popular

3371
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subject right now and I the collection

3372
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of speakers you have III just can't wait

3373
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to to meet you know quite a number of

3374
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these presenters who I'm familiar with

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their work and and I think I'm gonna

3376
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obviously learn a lot that's one of the

3377
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things that excites me the most about

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going up there is is it's a chance for

3379
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me to expand my own knowledge base and

3380
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and I think if more people thought along

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those lines conferences like this would

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have a much easier time meeting expenses

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and and you know generating a further

3384
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interest and further for their

3385
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symposiums oh yeah I mean you know the

3386
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case can't be made entirely that oh well

3387
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we should support these guys because

3388
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they're serious about it that's not

3389
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going to be enough to to you know make

3390
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people go online and say okay this is

3391
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the event I'm gonna buy my ticket to

3392
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paradigm symposium but you know the

3393
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thing is is that you'll notice that

3394
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there are tons of researchers that we

3395
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have at this event whether they are you

3396
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know far on the skeptical end like PZ

3397
02:18:04,209 --> 02:18:02,840
Myers someone who again I'm looking

3398
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forward to getting to know and talking

3399
02:18:08,200 --> 02:18:05,960
with just as much as you know seeing you

3400
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there Chris or Scotty or Nick Redfern or

3401
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anybody else you know the thing is is

3402
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that you've got a broad demographic

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there and these are all people who

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despite their you know outlook on life

3405
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or their background they're serious

3406
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about what they do and you know I never

3407
02:18:24,429 --> 02:18:21,439
saw myself personally maybe Scotty

3408
02:18:27,400 --> 02:18:24,439
didn't either as you know a conference

3409
02:18:28,059 --> 02:18:27,410
promoter I've worked to help with you

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you know

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conference promotions and things in the

3412
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past of course always I'm always

3413
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supportive of people who do it because I

3414
02:18:35,349 --> 02:18:34,460
know the kind of rigor that goes into it

3415
02:18:37,809 --> 02:18:35,359
you know if you want to make a nice

3416
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living don't be a paranormal conference

3417
02:18:41,610 --> 02:18:39,429
or an alternative conference

3418
02:18:42,990 --> 02:18:41,620
matter let alone write books about this

3419
02:18:44,490 --> 02:18:43,000
sort of subject but you know again you

3420
02:18:47,400 --> 02:18:44,500
know by the time I was in my late teens

3421
02:18:49,500 --> 02:18:47,410
I was I was very much steeped in the the

3422
02:18:50,969 --> 02:18:49,510
work of Ivan Sanderson you know I was

3423
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reading books by Ray Fowler and people

3424
02:18:54,629 --> 02:18:52,929
like that at that time it was a dream to

3425
02:18:55,889 --> 02:18:54,639
be able to be a person who contributed

3426
02:18:57,360 --> 02:18:55,899
something to this field because I

3427
02:18:59,820 --> 02:18:57,370
recognized it for what it was then

3428
02:19:01,500 --> 02:18:59,830
something that there was a if not you

3429
02:19:04,040 --> 02:19:01,510
know just a grain I mean there was there

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02:19:06,809 --> 02:19:04,050
was a wide variety of different

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02:19:09,179 --> 02:19:06,819
approaches to the study of that grain of

3432
02:19:10,290 --> 02:19:09,189
truth that had to underlie the mystery

3433
02:19:12,540 --> 02:19:10,300
that was being presented whether or not

3434
02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:12,550
all of it is true that's what drives me

3435
02:19:16,259 --> 02:19:14,170
and that's what wanted you know what I

3436
02:19:18,030 --> 02:19:16,269
wanted to get into the field to try and

3437
02:19:19,919 --> 02:19:18,040
do was to study something that I feel is

3438
02:19:23,580 --> 02:19:19,929
underappreciated and I think that also

3439
02:19:25,559 --> 02:19:23,590
there's merit to the study of it is most

3440
02:19:28,559 --> 02:19:25,569
often a labor uh you know a labor of

3441
02:19:29,969 --> 02:19:28,569
love I know you guys know that I'll tell

3442
02:19:31,559 --> 02:19:29,979
you about it hey there are a few

3443
02:19:34,349 --> 02:19:31,569
questions that we have from our audience

3444
02:19:36,599 --> 02:19:34,359
posted at forum da to the power cast

3445
02:19:39,360 --> 02:19:36,609
come in a place called the question Bank

3446
02:19:41,129 --> 02:19:39,370
and I thought maybe Chris we'd have a

3447
02:19:43,919 --> 02:19:41,139
few moments now to get to some of those

3448
02:19:45,780 --> 02:19:43,929
questions well I I do and and there are

3449
02:19:48,809 --> 02:19:45,790
a couple of good ones here I'm gonna

3450
02:19:51,059 --> 02:19:48,819
start with one of our latest additions

3451
02:19:53,370 --> 02:19:51,069
to the Peres cast warm family always

3452
02:19:55,290 --> 02:19:53,380
calls himself Pierre I'm not sure where

3453
02:19:57,570 --> 02:19:55,300
he's from but this is I think the first

3454
02:19:59,840 --> 02:19:57,580
question he's asked here at forum dr.

3455
02:20:03,120 --> 02:19:59,850
Peric ascom for one of our guests and

3456
02:20:04,710 --> 02:20:03,130
the question is actually kind of it's

3457
02:20:06,179 --> 02:20:04,720
being asked of you Michael but I think

3458
02:20:07,830 --> 02:20:06,189
both of you might want to comment on

3459
02:20:10,469 --> 02:20:07,840
this what is your view on Erich von

3460
02:20:12,960 --> 02:20:10,479
Daniken the headline speaker at I guess

3461
02:20:15,179 --> 02:20:12,970
last year's symposium in regards to him

3462
02:20:17,130 --> 02:20:15,189
allegedly I'm adding that word faking

3463
02:20:19,439 --> 02:20:17,140
evidence exaggerating findings and

3464
02:20:21,660 --> 02:20:19,449
fabricating stories I for one could not

3465
02:20:24,000 --> 02:20:21,670
understand a von Daniken has seemingly

3466
02:20:25,620 --> 02:20:24,010
lost little to no credibility in the

3467
02:20:27,330 --> 02:20:25,630
face of these falsehoods being exposed

3468
02:20:29,250 --> 02:20:27,340
now first of all that's that's kind of

3469
02:20:30,780 --> 02:20:29,260
news to me but in terms of him being

3470
02:20:32,790 --> 02:20:30,790
caught red-handed faking evidence

3471
02:20:35,189 --> 02:20:32,800
exaggerating findings and fabricating

3472
02:20:35,370 --> 02:20:35,199
stories where do you guys come down on

3473
02:20:37,500 --> 02:20:35,380
that

3474
02:20:38,880 --> 02:20:37,510
well you know I'll jump in here first

3475
02:20:40,950 --> 02:20:38,890
and allow Scottie to jump in just as

3476
02:20:42,479 --> 02:20:40,960
well that's a good question Pierre asks

3477
02:20:44,610 --> 02:20:42,489
and this is something yes that I'm aware

3478
02:20:47,219 --> 02:20:44,620
of just as well von Daniken in the past

3479
02:20:48,840 --> 02:20:47,229
you know he's been criticized and he's

3480
02:20:50,969 --> 02:20:48,850
more criticized obviously in the

3481
02:20:52,830 --> 02:20:50,979
skeptical circles for this than in the

3482
02:20:53,190 --> 02:20:52,840
you know the ancient astronaut theorist

3483
02:20:54,450 --> 02:20:53,200
circle

3484
02:20:56,551 --> 02:20:54,460
in the line but you know at the time

3485
02:20:58,171 --> 02:20:56,561
that he was writing the book Chariots of

3486
02:20:58,500 --> 02:20:58,181
the Gods it is well-known and I think he

3487
02:21:01,470 --> 02:20:58,510
is

3488
02:21:03,210 --> 02:21:01,480
that he actually had done some time in

3489
02:21:04,410 --> 02:21:03,220
jail did not serve a full sentence the

3490
02:21:05,910 --> 02:21:04,420
reason why is because he had amassed a

3491
02:21:07,591 --> 02:21:05,920
tremendous amount of debt that it was

3492
02:21:09,660 --> 02:21:07,601
incurred as a result of the funding that

3493
02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:09,670
he had used for his research for being

3494
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:11,290
able to travel and compile the

3495
02:21:14,280 --> 02:21:12,730
information for his book you got to keep

3496
02:21:16,440 --> 02:21:14,290
in mind this was before the internet and

3497
02:21:18,570 --> 02:21:16,450
I don't think this excuses the fact that

3498
02:21:20,790 --> 02:21:18,580
he was accused of and found guilty of

3499
02:21:22,080 --> 02:21:20,800
wrongdoing around the time but the point

3500
02:21:25,230 --> 02:21:22,090
is is that you know without the internet

3501
02:21:27,150 --> 02:21:25,240
without readily available funding von

3502
02:21:29,070 --> 02:21:27,160
Daniken may have gone about some

3503
02:21:30,870 --> 02:21:29,080
questioning procedures I think he'd been

3504
02:21:32,280 --> 02:21:30,880
a hotel operator at the time and he had

3505
02:21:35,160 --> 02:21:32,290
gained access to some funding that he

3506
02:21:37,440 --> 02:21:35,170
used and then served time for purposes

3507
02:21:39,210 --> 02:21:37,450
of misusing those funds which he used to

3508
02:21:41,310 --> 02:21:39,220
facilitate his research now he didn't

3509
02:21:43,530 --> 02:21:41,320
end up serving a complete sentence and

3510
02:21:45,750 --> 02:21:43,540
as I understand that was paid back after

3511
02:21:47,640 --> 02:21:45,760
Chariots of the Gods ended up becoming

3512
02:21:49,860 --> 02:21:47,650
the incredible you know book that it was

3513
02:21:51,091 --> 02:21:49,870
and the multi-million seller copy is

3514
02:21:53,160 --> 02:21:51,101
matter of fact I think it's still a very

3515
02:21:54,660 --> 02:21:53,170
good selling book today now later on

3516
02:21:56,460 --> 02:21:54,670
down the road people had said that he

3517
02:21:58,200 --> 02:21:56,470
had put forth a number of fraudulent

3518
02:22:00,360 --> 02:21:58,210
claims some of these included also I

3519
02:22:01,620 --> 02:22:00,370
think the utilization of artifacts and

3520
02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:01,630
things that were presented in

3521
02:22:04,530 --> 02:22:03,130
photographs in his books that may not

3522
02:22:07,290 --> 02:22:04,540
have actually come from certain science

3523
02:22:09,810 --> 02:22:07,300
one of the more prolific examples was an

3524
02:22:12,091 --> 02:22:09,820
assertion that he had made which had to

3525
02:22:14,310 --> 02:22:12,101
do with the notion that bananas were

3526
02:22:15,930 --> 02:22:14,320
actually potentially of extraterrestrial

3527
02:22:18,720 --> 02:22:15,940
origin now when he was interviewed in

3528
02:22:20,671 --> 02:22:18,730
the 1970s by Playboy magazine about that

3529
02:22:23,100 --> 02:22:20,681
the interviewer asked mr. von Daniken

3530
02:22:25,320 --> 02:22:23,110
are you actually serious about the

3531
02:22:27,330 --> 02:22:25,330
assertion that bananas come from another

3532
02:22:29,100 --> 02:22:27,340
planet and von Daniken said no I am NOT

3533
02:22:30,750 --> 02:22:29,110
that interview is still available online

3534
02:22:32,400 --> 02:22:30,760
of course I read all of this before we

3535
02:22:34,890 --> 02:22:32,410
put together the paradigm symposium

3536
02:22:36,301 --> 02:22:34,900
I think von Daniken literally said so

3537
02:22:38,220 --> 02:22:36,311
much is the fact that sometimes I will

3538
02:22:39,990 --> 02:22:38,230
include what our tongue-in-cheek

3539
02:22:41,610 --> 02:22:40,000
references to things in my books that

3540
02:22:43,620 --> 02:22:41,620
people at times have taken seriously now

3541
02:22:45,390 --> 02:22:43,630
if there are actual claims of fraudulent

3542
02:22:47,131 --> 02:22:45,400
information being brought forward that's

3543
02:22:48,810 --> 02:22:47,141
that's one thing I know in many of the

3544
02:22:50,790 --> 02:22:48,820
cases von Daniken had clearly been

3545
02:22:52,290 --> 02:22:50,800
trying to make a very dry joke and

3546
02:22:54,030 --> 02:22:52,300
people took him literally not from my

3547
02:22:55,200 --> 02:22:54,040
own personal experiences the night that

3548
02:22:56,730 --> 02:22:55,210
Scottie and I met him at paradigm

3549
02:22:58,140 --> 02:22:56,740
symposium we went up and I said Mr von

3550
02:23:00,631 --> 02:22:58,150
Daniken it's great to meet you and he

3551
02:23:03,000 --> 02:23:00,641
says no no you will come me Eric because

3552
02:23:04,500 --> 02:23:03,010
Rosie next three days I am yours I come

3553
02:23:06,150 --> 02:23:04,510
here I work for you thank you for having

3554
02:23:07,051 --> 02:23:06,160
me at your symposium and he was a very

3555
02:23:09,091 --> 02:23:07,061
very good person

3556
02:23:10,411 --> 02:23:09,101
to be around he's congenial he was

3557
02:23:12,060 --> 02:23:10,421
hanging out with the guests and the

3558
02:23:13,741 --> 02:23:12,070
people he was and in his years Scottie

3559
02:23:16,621 --> 02:23:13,751
how old is von daniken now he's got hi

3560
02:23:18,150 --> 02:23:16,631
he's got to be 78 this year yeah yeah I

3561
02:23:19,320 --> 02:23:18,160
have to say he was one of the most he's

3562
02:23:20,581 --> 02:23:19,330
a true professional one of the best

3563
02:23:22,741 --> 02:23:20,591
people we've ever worked with and

3564
02:23:24,150 --> 02:23:22,751
whether you endorse all his theories I

3565
02:23:26,041 --> 02:23:24,160
don't endorse all of them manikins

3566
02:23:27,661 --> 02:23:26,051
theories but I respect the man for the

3567
02:23:29,730 --> 02:23:27,671
life he's put into it the work he's put

3568
02:23:31,921 --> 02:23:29,740
behind what he's done you know also for

3569
02:23:33,180 --> 02:23:31,931
that reisen's humor which on camera with

3570
02:23:34,560 --> 02:23:33,190
Prometheus productions there at the

3571
02:23:36,031 --> 02:23:34,570
event I was happy to say I think a lot

3572
02:23:38,430 --> 02:23:36,041
of people don't realize the brilliance

3573
02:23:40,320 --> 02:23:38,440
in this man's research and at times yes

3574
02:23:41,640 --> 02:23:40,330
his humor so maybe that doesn't excuse

3575
02:23:43,381 --> 02:23:41,650
everything he's ever been involved with

3576
02:23:45,241 --> 02:23:43,391
but you know he's someone who despite

3577
02:23:47,551 --> 02:23:45,251
his background his beliefs and whether

3578
02:23:49,501 --> 02:23:47,561
you believe exactly what he does he has

3579
02:23:51,451 --> 02:23:49,511
put forth a lot of effort to produce and

3580
02:23:53,761 --> 02:23:51,461
you have to respect him for that may I

3581
02:23:56,041 --> 02:23:53,771
just throw in here two guys and you only

3582
02:23:57,810 --> 02:23:56,051
have 30 seconds so maybe we shouldn't so

3583
02:23:59,640 --> 02:23:57,820
you'll throw it in after we get to our

3584
02:24:01,531 --> 02:23:59,650
final segment that has got it I just

3585
02:24:03,720 --> 02:24:01,541
think that if I understand what you're

3586
02:24:05,730 --> 02:24:03,730
saying about his legal problems it was a

3587
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matter of maybe diverting funds to a

3588
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different purpose than was otherwise

3589
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intended is that yes very quickly I'll

3590
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say maybe that was unethical but as I

3591
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understand he paid off his debts with

3592
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the sales of the book after the back

3593
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okay fine

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and hopefully he gave them a decent

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amount of interest we have Scott Alan

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yourself calm hi this is Don Ecker and

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you are tuned in to the para cast let me

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tell you what you're gonna hear stuff

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here that you probably won't hear

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anywhere else hear that George Noory

3707
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we continue with Scott Alan Roberts and

3708
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Micah Hanks and Scott had a comment to

3709
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make as we continue on the final segment

3710
02:29:06,330 --> 02:29:04,480
of the power cast Scott well I was going

3711
02:29:08,280 --> 02:29:06,340
to say I know you'll find this hard to

3712
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believe but there were times in my life

3713
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forty years ago where I may have told a

3714
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lie or exaggerated something but it does

3715
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not characterize Who I am today and what

3716
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I do today now I was never out to fleece

3717
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anybody forty years ago I was just a kid

3718
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but with this is something that I don't

3719
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like about this type of characterization

3720
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of anybody is to say that he either

3721
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exaggerated something or he committed

3722
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some act of minor criminal offense a

3723
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misdemeanor type of an offense or he had

3724
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already committed something you know

3725
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what if that was forty to fifty years

3726
02:29:46,710 --> 02:29:45,040
ago I look at it this way again I use a

3727
02:29:49,170 --> 02:29:46,720
biblical reference you know the Apostle

3728
02:29:52,320 --> 02:29:49,180
Paul murdered people before he was the

3729
02:29:54,030 --> 02:29:52,330
Apostle Paul so you know if you if you

3730
02:29:55,890 --> 02:29:54,040
want to look at things in that light

3731
02:29:57,710 --> 02:29:55,900
everybody's got a past

3732
02:29:59,940 --> 02:29:57,720
everybody's got things they've done

3733
02:30:01,470 --> 02:29:59,950
everybody's got things that happen if

3734
02:30:03,720 --> 02:30:01,480
you dig up everybody's skeletons

3735
02:30:07,200 --> 02:30:03,730
oh maybe we'd all be on more equal

3736
02:30:10,801 --> 02:30:07,210
ground but I don't like the the

3737
02:30:14,430 --> 02:30:10,811
muckraking and the the yellow

3738
02:30:17,580 --> 02:30:14,440
journalistic approach to trying to

3739
02:30:19,320 --> 02:30:17,590
create a big fraudulent character out of

3740
02:30:22,620 --> 02:30:19,330
erich von daniken because he did

3741
02:30:25,620 --> 02:30:22,630
something in his past that was not on

3742
02:30:28,140 --> 02:30:25,630
the grand scheme of things not all that

3743
02:30:31,710 --> 02:30:28,150
big a deal okay Chris any more questions

3744
02:30:34,200 --> 02:30:31,720
yeah we do have a number of them I just

3745
02:30:36,000 --> 02:30:34,210
wanted to add here that you can say what

3746
02:30:37,770 --> 02:30:36,010
you want about Erich von däniken you can

3747
02:30:40,440 --> 02:30:37,780
agree with them or disagree with him but

3748
02:30:43,710 --> 02:30:40,450
one thing that you can't argue and that

3749
02:30:45,930 --> 02:30:43,720
is that he really inspired and opened up

3750
02:30:48,030 --> 02:30:45,940
you know the curiosity centers of

3751
02:30:50,310 --> 02:30:48,040
millions of people including myself here

3752
02:30:51,251 --> 02:30:50,320
I remember just being totally fascinated

3753
02:30:54,011 --> 02:30:51,261
by the book when it came

3754
02:30:56,560 --> 02:30:54,021
when I was a kid this is a question for

3755
02:31:01,121 --> 02:30:56,570
Scotty uh

3756
02:31:02,860 --> 02:31:01,131
this comes he this comes actually from a

3757
02:31:04,871 --> 02:31:02,870
woman her name is Alam bombette she's

3758
02:31:07,360 --> 02:31:04,881
one of our more recent

3759
02:31:10,291 --> 02:31:07,370
Sinese up Ferrum performed off the

3760
02:31:14,470 --> 02:31:10,301
podcast comm and she heard you on a

3761
02:31:18,161 --> 02:31:14,480
radio show and a couple of them and you

3762
02:31:21,911 --> 02:31:18,171
mentioned that hitler claimed to be the

3763
02:31:23,440 --> 02:31:21,921
leader of a master race and this was all

3764
02:31:25,541 --> 02:31:23,450
based on his belief that he was a

3765
02:31:28,871 --> 02:31:25,551
descendant of these serpent blooded

3766
02:31:30,610 --> 02:31:28,881
kings that's kind of part 1 and part 2

3767
02:31:32,530 --> 02:31:30,620
she says she listened to you on another

3768
02:31:33,940 --> 02:31:32,540
broadcast on before it's news and you

3769
02:31:35,831 --> 02:31:33,950
mentioned that Hitler was a member of

3770
02:31:39,131 --> 02:31:35,841
the Thule Society and she contends that

3771
02:31:40,661 --> 02:31:39,141
he was not so her question her first

3772
02:31:44,110 --> 02:31:40,671
question is rather long and I just

3773
02:31:46,211 --> 02:31:44,120
paraphrased it but but what is this

3774
02:31:49,121 --> 02:31:46,221
about Hitler's godlike claim to power I

3775
02:31:51,190 --> 02:31:49,131
mean did he really believe that he was a

3776
02:31:54,581 --> 02:31:51,200
descendant of some sort of serpent

3777
02:31:57,131 --> 02:31:54,591
blooded a kingship line or something I

3778
02:31:59,411 --> 02:31:57,141
don't know if Hitler claimed ever to be

3779
02:32:00,940 --> 02:31:59,421
serpentine or Korea or link to a

3780
02:32:04,631 --> 02:32:00,950
serpentine bloodline I never would have

3781
02:32:07,240 --> 02:32:04,641
said that he did he was part of some of

3782
02:32:09,730 --> 02:32:07,250
the movements however that had those at

3783
02:32:11,230 --> 02:32:09,740
the core of their belief as far as him

3784
02:32:13,661 --> 02:32:11,240
being part of the Thule Society it's a

3785
02:32:15,701 --> 02:32:13,671
historical fact they don't know if he

3786
02:32:17,921 --> 02:32:15,711
ever attended a single meeting but he

3787
02:32:20,921 --> 02:32:17,931
was a member in a card-carrying member

3788
02:32:23,201 --> 02:32:20,931
and the Thule Society was it was what he

3789
02:32:26,190 --> 02:32:23,211
reorganized himself into the National

3790
02:32:28,421 --> 02:32:26,200
Socialist Party grace any more questions

3791
02:32:31,270 --> 02:32:28,431
this is a question from Paul to worst

3792
02:32:33,490 --> 02:32:31,280
who's one of our our main posters that

3793
02:32:35,591 --> 02:32:33,500
formed out the podcast com and this is a

3794
02:32:37,001 --> 02:32:35,601
question for Micah I sometimes think

3795
02:32:38,801 --> 02:32:37,011
there are two different singularities

3796
02:32:40,871 --> 02:32:38,811
people are talking about humanity

3797
02:32:43,360 --> 02:32:40,881
merging with computers or individual

3798
02:32:46,091 --> 02:32:43,370
people merging with each other to form a

3799
02:32:48,341 --> 02:32:46,101
kind of spiritual super consciousness do

3800
02:32:51,100 --> 02:32:48,351
you get that too and if so which one

3801
02:32:53,201 --> 02:32:51,110
would you prefer or subscribe to I do

3802
02:32:55,121 --> 02:32:53,211
get that I would prefer and subscribe to

3803
02:32:57,100 --> 02:32:55,131
the latter there are definitely two

3804
02:32:59,201 --> 02:32:57,110
distinct kinds of singularities one is

3805
02:33:01,270 --> 02:32:59,211
the concept of a human singularity an

3806
02:33:02,680 --> 02:33:01,280
individual singularity a spiritual kind

3807
02:33:04,270 --> 02:33:02,690
of singularity and people coming

3808
02:33:04,780 --> 02:33:04,280
together a consciousness shift or

3809
02:33:06,940 --> 02:33:04,790
perhaps

3810
02:33:08,710 --> 02:33:06,950
paradigm shift and then there is the

3811
02:33:10,269 --> 02:33:08,720
concept of technological singularity

3812
02:33:12,070 --> 02:33:10,279
which is the one that is referenced by

3813
02:33:14,139 --> 02:33:12,080
Ray Kurzweil on the transhumanist which

3814
02:33:16,179 --> 02:33:14,149
is something that is expected to come

3815
02:33:18,370 --> 02:33:16,189
Kurzweil says around the Year 2029 and

3816
02:33:20,410 --> 02:33:18,380
that involves man and machine merging or

3817
02:33:23,230 --> 02:33:20,420
you know more effectively the production

3818
02:33:26,889 --> 02:33:23,240
of artificial intelligence okay yeah I

3819
02:33:28,809 --> 02:33:26,899
would have to agree with that and here's

3820
02:33:31,630 --> 02:33:28,819
another one from Paul to worst what do

3821
02:33:35,050 --> 02:33:31,640
you think about von Daniken's claim that

3822
02:33:37,630 --> 02:33:35,060
for a few weeks I guess in the 80s he

3823
02:33:39,370 --> 02:33:37,640
lived with an alien energy life-form

3824
02:33:41,830 --> 02:33:39,380
which took the form of a younger version

3825
02:33:44,130 --> 02:33:41,840
of himself not snooze to me either if

3826
02:33:47,860 --> 02:33:44,140
you want to I've never heard that one

3827
02:33:49,660 --> 02:33:47,870
yeah I'd never heard that either well I

3828
02:33:51,340 --> 02:33:49,670
don't know it'd be more likely to find a

3829
02:33:53,800 --> 02:33:51,350
mummy in an ancient pyramid I would say

3830
02:33:56,410 --> 02:33:53,810
certainly but who knows again whether

3831
02:33:58,000 --> 02:33:56,420
you disagree or you agree our intent

3832
02:33:59,200 --> 02:33:58,010
with with involvement with von Daniken

3833
02:34:00,639 --> 02:33:59,210
and someone who is a human being I

3834
02:34:02,110 --> 02:34:00,649
really enjoy being around I hope to meet

3835
02:34:04,059 --> 02:34:02,120
him again one day and hang out with him

3836
02:34:06,040 --> 02:34:04,069
maybe at a futures symposium but von

3837
02:34:08,019 --> 02:34:06,050
Daniken is definitely a person who has

3838
02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:08,029
made some interesting claims whether I

3839
02:34:12,040 --> 02:34:09,770
endorse or believe all of those I

3840
02:34:14,679 --> 02:34:12,050
recognize him for the cultural impact he

3841
02:34:16,870 --> 02:34:14,689
has had and there it is and you know

3842
02:34:19,300 --> 02:34:16,880
there is so much we were talking earlier

3843
02:34:22,240 --> 02:34:19,310
about mythology there is so much I

3844
02:34:25,120 --> 02:34:22,250
believe myth us that builds around these

3845
02:34:27,160 --> 02:34:25,130
types of characters you you look at to

3846
02:34:30,070 --> 02:34:27,170
anybody who has a name in any of these

3847
02:34:32,740 --> 02:34:30,080
types of fields and you will find so

3848
02:34:34,990 --> 02:34:32,750
much non information about them or

3849
02:34:37,200 --> 02:34:35,000
information that everybody insists is so

3850
02:34:39,790 --> 02:34:37,210
and when it really boils down to it

3851
02:34:41,349 --> 02:34:39,800
stories like this who knows if it's even

3852
02:34:42,700 --> 02:34:41,359
a true story or if it's something that

3853
02:34:44,320 --> 02:34:42,710
somebody said about them there's no way

3854
02:34:46,510 --> 02:34:44,330
to know for sure other than to ask it

3855
02:34:48,700 --> 02:34:46,520
you know yeah that's news to me I've

3856
02:34:51,219 --> 02:34:48,710
never heard anything even coming close

3857
02:34:54,070 --> 02:34:51,229
to that and now that you mention that

3858
02:34:55,540 --> 02:34:54,080
boy sometimes I wonder the kind of stuff

3859
02:34:57,639 --> 02:34:55,550
that's out there about gene or about

3860
02:34:58,780 --> 02:34:57,649
myself and other people I've had people

3861
02:35:01,210 --> 02:34:58,790
ask me some of the most outrageous

3862
02:35:03,580 --> 02:35:01,220
things that well I heard you said there

3863
02:35:05,530 --> 02:35:03,590
so you did this and it's like what where

3864
02:35:07,900 --> 02:35:05,540
did that come from gene have you ever

3865
02:35:11,410 --> 02:35:07,910
hung out with an alien well I cannot of

3866
02:35:12,730 --> 02:35:11,420
course confirm or deny those rumors Jim

3867
02:35:15,580 --> 02:35:12,740
Mosely though right you would have to

3868
02:35:17,511 --> 02:35:15,590
okay yeah I hung out with Jay Mosely for

3869
02:35:19,761 --> 02:35:17,521
many many years I worked

3870
02:35:21,560 --> 02:35:19,771
we were close personal friends and I

3871
02:35:23,421 --> 02:35:21,570
have to say if he was an alien I hung

3872
02:35:25,341 --> 02:35:23,431
out with him hey guys we have a just a

3873
02:35:27,411 --> 02:35:25,351
few minutes left and there's a lot to

3874
02:35:29,001 --> 02:35:27,421
wrap up with here Micah Hanks tell our

3875
02:35:30,201 --> 02:35:29,011
listeners where they can find more of

3876
02:35:31,970 --> 02:35:30,211
your stuff

3877
02:35:34,881 --> 02:35:31,980
absolutely well there's of course my

3878
02:35:36,621 --> 02:35:34,891
personal website wwm IKEA Hanks comm and

3879
02:35:38,961 --> 02:35:36,631
every Sunday night I produce a program

3880
02:35:41,511 --> 02:35:38,971
live on the kgr a radio network called

3881
02:35:43,520 --> 02:35:41,521
get this the Micah Hanks program books

3882
02:35:44,600 --> 02:35:43,530
and podcasts and things are available

3883
02:35:45,741 --> 02:35:44,610
there and of course a lot of your

3884
02:35:47,841 --> 02:35:45,751
listeners already know about the

3885
02:35:49,520 --> 02:35:47,851
graylien report and that's the website

3886
02:35:51,291 --> 02:35:49,530
that features a lot of weird news and

3887
02:35:52,881 --> 02:35:51,301
the youthful logical themed things

3888
02:35:54,381 --> 02:35:52,891
there's a lot of information about me

3889
02:35:56,270 --> 02:35:54,391
that you can find there as well as the

3890
02:35:58,341 --> 02:35:56,280
weekly graylien podcast which is

3891
02:36:00,470 --> 02:35:58,351
downloadable on itunes.com people can

3892
02:36:02,060 --> 02:36:00,480
email me info at Micah Hanks com if

3893
02:36:02,991 --> 02:36:02,070
they've got any more questions and of

3894
02:36:05,211 --> 02:36:03,001
course it's always good to be on the

3895
02:36:08,060 --> 02:36:05,221
pair of cast and by the way Chris and I

3896
02:36:10,011 --> 02:36:08,070
have been on his show ok Scott Roberts

3897
02:36:12,470 --> 02:36:10,021
work when we find more of your stuff and

3898
02:36:15,081 --> 02:36:12,480
you can give us a real fast plug for

3899
02:36:17,180 --> 02:36:15,091
paradigm symposium all right well you

3900
02:36:19,251 --> 02:36:17,190
can go to my website Scott Alan Roberts

3901
02:36:21,831 --> 02:36:19,261
comm and see all there is to know about

3902
02:36:23,751 --> 02:36:21,841
me I have a new book coming out in

3903
02:36:26,001 --> 02:36:23,761
October releasing at the paradigm

3904
02:36:28,850 --> 02:36:26,011
symposium called the Exodus reality that

3905
02:36:33,400 --> 02:36:28,860
I co-wrote with dr. John Ward and you I

3906
02:36:35,541 --> 02:36:33,410
also have a radio show podcast that airs

3907
02:36:37,850 --> 02:36:35,551
immediately following the micah hanks

3908
02:36:40,430 --> 02:36:37,860
program on sunday nights from 10:00 p.m.

3909
02:36:43,371 --> 02:36:40,440
till midnight Eastern Time on kgr a

3910
02:36:46,551 --> 02:36:43,381
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3911
02:36:49,041 --> 02:36:46,561
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3912
02:36:50,841 --> 02:36:49,051
com don't spell Realty you'll end up

3913
02:36:53,720 --> 02:36:50,851
trying to buy a house somewhere in Syria

3914
02:36:55,371 --> 02:36:53,730
it's Exodus reality not calm I

3915
02:36:57,951 --> 02:36:55,381
understand they have a special on those

3916
02:37:00,711 --> 02:36:57,961
homes from Syria yeah you can get a home

3917
02:37:04,011 --> 02:37:00,721
in Damascus really cheap right now oh

3918
02:37:06,680 --> 02:37:04,021
yeah especially after Congress completes

3919
02:37:08,390 --> 02:37:06,690
their work we'll know about that don't

3920
02:37:08,900 --> 02:37:08,400
get me started you don't have any time

3921
02:37:10,671 --> 02:37:08,910
left

3922
02:37:13,100 --> 02:37:10,681
well we'll do a second show that's gonna

3923
02:37:14,480 --> 02:37:13,110
be the power cast political and I

3924
02:37:16,310 --> 02:37:14,490
haven't even come up with that yet

3925
02:37:18,621 --> 02:37:16,320
because I just made it up and of course

3926
02:37:21,081 --> 02:37:18,631
we have the paradigm symposium we have a

3927
02:37:24,230 --> 02:37:21,091
link by the way to a lot of this stuff

3928
02:37:25,610 --> 02:37:24,240
over at Peres cast calm I don't have

3929
02:37:26,991 --> 02:37:25,620
links for everything otherwise we

3930
02:37:28,220 --> 02:37:27,001
wouldn't have any information when we

3931
02:37:29,841 --> 02:37:28,230
talk about this show it'd just be a

3932
02:37:32,541 --> 02:37:29,851
bunch of links all right

3933
02:37:34,930 --> 02:37:32,551
we don't need that because I'm symposium

3934
02:37:38,900 --> 02:37:34,940
is easy just go to paradigm symposium

3935
02:37:40,940 --> 02:37:38,910
calm and Mike and I both work with our

3936
02:37:43,070 --> 02:37:40,950
own intrepid magazine you could go there

3937
02:37:44,421 --> 02:37:43,080
intrepid mag comm there's links to

3938
02:37:46,610 --> 02:37:44,431
paradigm all over that as well

3939
02:37:49,761 --> 02:37:46,620
boy I've never had so many links in my

3940
02:37:52,761 --> 02:37:49,771
entire born days Chris O'Brien where can

3941
02:37:54,291 --> 02:37:52,771
we find more of your stuff well as we

3942
02:37:56,301 --> 02:37:54,301
discover every week on the pair of cast

3943
02:37:59,810 --> 02:37:56,311
we live in a strange planet it's our

3944
02:38:03,440 --> 02:37:59,820
strange planet calm alright and you can

3945
02:38:06,291 --> 02:38:03,450
find us at the para cast calm once again

3946
02:38:09,711 --> 02:38:06,301
that's the para cast calm and you can

3947
02:38:12,400 --> 02:38:09,721
check out all the episodes every single

3948
02:38:16,041 --> 02:38:12,410
episode of the para cast from February

3949
02:38:17,841 --> 02:38:16,051
2006 is available for download or check

3950
02:38:20,330 --> 02:38:17,851
it from iTunes but iTunes doesn't always

3951
02:38:25,160 --> 02:38:20,340
list all the older episodes we're also

3952
02:38:27,261 --> 02:38:25,170
on Twitter as the para cast and we even

3953
02:38:28,671 --> 02:38:27,271
have another radio show called the tech

3954
02:38:31,370 --> 02:38:28,681
night howl live where I talk about

3955
02:38:33,560 --> 02:38:31,380
personal technology where I talk about

3956
02:38:35,961 --> 02:38:33,570
Apple and Microsoft and Samsung and

3957
02:38:37,370 --> 02:38:35,971
iPhones and androids all that stuff

3958
02:38:40,580 --> 02:38:37,380
there you go

3959
02:38:42,230 --> 02:38:40,590
Scott Alan Roberts Micah Hanks thank you

3960
02:38:44,801 --> 02:38:42,240
both for joining us this week on the

3961
02:38:46,761 --> 02:38:44,811
power cast thanks for having me guys

3962
02:38:53,370 --> 02:38:46,771
always a pleasure we'll see you again

3963
02:38:59,370 --> 02:38:55,849
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3964
02:39:02,399 --> 02:38:59,380
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3965
02:39:05,269 --> 02:39:02,409
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3966
02:39:09,000 --> 02:39:05,279
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